Cold$moke's Frost heave

Cold$moke

Cold$moke

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I thought about misting it down with water but if any opend whats done is done .

I only care about the plants in the net mainley as i know they arent herms

Oddly enough though.....i tried pollinating an auto a few weeks ago and i thought any stray pollen would die after a few weeks in the room

but i might have been MISTAKEN lol

even though i sprayed it down with water after i may have let some pollen loose in my room on purpose in an accidental way lmao


I did let my chores go for a few days and i bumpped them kinda hard (for me) on the nutes to see what they can handle

But i got some hairs trunin red so im not sure if its just them turning red or if they got pollinated.

If they did get pollinated i wont mind too much as i wanted some seeds but i didnt want seeds everywhere lmao.

Ill know here in a week or 2 for sure ha ha

If i get a big seed run i guess ill be making alot of concentrates lol
 
Cold$moke

Cold$moke

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Budley Doright said:
Looking great C$. Nice setup! I picked up 12 square pails and lids in the fall but haven’t done anything yet but was leaning towards RDWC now not sure lol. I’ll keep stopping by to see how it’s going. Again a very nice setup :).
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For sure budley

Give me a few weeks to get some room and ill have that side by side with the new system :)

Nothing wrong with rdwc but im like that

Ill build a system find out what sucked build again a few times till i get bored and move on
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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Cold$moke said:
For sure budley

Give me a few weeks to get some room and ill have that side by side with the new system :)

Nothing wrong with rdwc but im like that

Ill build a system find out what sucked build again a few times till i get bored and move on
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Ya I’m kind of the same but more controls. I just modify my flood setup mostly, yes getting bored and before I built the chiller I was actually headed towards DTW :). Yes the side by will be cool.
 
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max420thc

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Zero_OS said:
In this pic, what is the point of pinching the top if u r going to cut it off below? Or am i misunderstaning that pic? Thanks man, great info
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Every time you trim the side Branch's out it allows air and light to penetrate into the canopy, every time you pinch the top the plant must heal it, in order to heal itself it forces water food and hormones to the injury site, feeding all the buds along the route of the injury site, this makes you colas larger and fatter along the terminal stem, preferably ,
 
OneHitDone

OneHitDone

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Cold$moke said:
Both as redundancy.
If air fails i have waterfalls and flooming.

If water fall and flooming fail i have air.

My goals where to make it as simple yet effective and have 0 dead spots .

All my buckets flow dead level the only one that is different is the brain bucket it actually drops a little just from the pump suction but thats it

once the surge happens they equalize

I have the stones postitioned almost underneath my return inlets which i cut a certain way to help gaurd from roots and help with flow i think lol.

Any ways the stones boil the roots up and in a circle wich is odd but cool lol
But the bubbles keep roots from crawling into the return pipes.


There is an undercurrent but not a strong one so it doesnt pull roots in the pipes.

Hard to explain but its so simple lol

Anything else let me know :)
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Looks like a solid system brother.. was very curious as I was running a 10gal Rubbermaid RDWC for quite a while
You can see it in the beginning of my vert thread
 
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Zero_OS

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max420thc said:
Every time you trim the side Branch's out it allows air and light to penetrate into the canopy, every time you pinch the top the plant must heal it, in order to heal itself it forces water food and hormones to the injury site, feeding all the buds along the route of the injury site, this makes you colas larger and fatter along the terminal stem, preferably ,
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Thank you. I had mistakenly thought the cut here was for the main stem, not the two side branches below. Didn't know about the hormone routing to the pinch/injury top, and the bud sites in-between...great info, thanks again.
 
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max420thc

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Zero_OS said:
Thank you. I had mistakenly thought the cut here was for the main stem, not the two side branches below. Didn't know about the hormone routing to the pinch/injury top, and the bud sites in-between...great info, thanks again.
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It's not just the two side Branch's, but all the side Branch's that shoot off of the terminal stem,
You form the vegging plant to as many terminal stems to fill your scrog up. Normally around 30 . Give or take depending on the strain in a 4x4 area.
The idea is to cut the sides Branch's out forcing the plant to form buds near the terminal stem, from a young age while the plant is transitioning into bloom.
This also allows more air and light deep into the plant to form the buds deeper into the canopy
 
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Zero_OS

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max420thc said:
...The idea is to cut the sides Branch's out forcing the plant to form buds near the terminal stem, from a young age [bold]while the plant is transitioning into bloom.[/bold] This also allows more air and light deep into the plant to form the buds deeper into the canopy
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OK, I think I got it. Once i have the # of terminal stems/tops that I desire, it sounds like this pruning is done to each treminal stem right at the flip before the stretch, or perhaps a week into flip.
 
Cold$moke

Cold$moke

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max420thc said:
Every time you trim the side Branch's out it allows air and light to penetrate into the canopy, every time you pinch the top the plant must heal it, in order to heal itself it forces water food and hormones to the injury site, feeding all the buds along the route of the injury site, this makes you colas larger and fatter along the terminal stem, preferably ,
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max420thc said:
It's not just the two side Branch's, but all the side Branch's that shoot off of the terminal stem,
You form the vegging plant to as many terminal stems to fill your scrog up. Normally around 30 . Give or take depending on the strain in a 4x4 area.
The idea is to cut the sides Branch's out forcing the plant to form buds near the terminal stem, from a young age while the plant is transitioning into bloom.
This also allows more air and light deep into the plant to form the buds deeper into the canopy
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So in saying all of that arent i achieving the same thing with what im doing?

My penetration height atm is 8 inchs or so

Everything coming from net height is NEW growth.

I have plenty of air flow

Most of the puny side branches have been plucked and i pluck larfy looking buds every 2 days or so so it concentrates on the tops
 
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max420thc

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Cold$moke said:
So in saying all of that arent i achieving the same thing with what im doing?

My penetration height atm is 8 inchs or so

Everything coming from net height is NEW growth.

I have plenty of air flow

Most of the puny side branches have been plucked and i pluck larfy looking buds every 2 days or so so it concentrates on the tops
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Light can penetrate around three feet if it is a 1000 watt , at 10 k lumens per square foot,
You have to let it penetrate though,
If the canopy is to thick it can't penetrate.
You are getting stretch, but is it three feet? Can the light penetrate that deep?
Are the stretching stems terminal stems or are they side Branch's ?
The main or top cola is where all the production happens , all we want are heavy top colas to make production, we are turning the whole plant into top cola.
 
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max420thc

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Your plants look nice,
The top of your canopy is to thick to allow good light penetration,
The plants need more depth and a few fewer colas to allow better light penatration right now is to late to do anything about it,
Once a plant develops energy it's hard to redirect it,
 
Cold$moke

Cold$moke

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max420thc said:
Your plants look nice,
The top of your canopy is to thick to allow good light penetration,
The plants need more depth and a few fewer colas to allow better light penatration right now is to late to do anything about it,
Once a plant develops energy it's hard to redirect it,
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This is where i dont understand your reasoning

At 8 inches of height how can i be lacking penetration?

And over the next week or so i will eliminate any larfy buds
 
Cold$moke

Cold$moke

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max420thc said:
Light can penetrate around three feet if it is a 1000 watt , at 10 k lumens per square foot,
You have to let it penetrate though,
If the canopy is to thick it can't penetrate.
You are getting stretch, but is it three feet? Can the light penetrate that deep?
Are the stretching stems terminal stems or are they side Branch's ?
The main or top cola is where all the production happens , all we want are heavy top colas to make production, we are turning the whole plant into top cola.
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This is where i have to say some stuff you say contradicts itself you said to just use terminal stems now you say your turning the whole plant into buds.

Isnt that what im currently doing bud?
 
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max420thc

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Cold$moke said:
This is where i have to say some stuff you say contradicts itself you said to just use terminal stems now you say your turning the whole plant into buds.

Isnt that what im currently doing bud?
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You turn the terminal stems into top colas basically.
The terminal stem is the heavy thick main stems shooting up.
As the plant is in bloom it starts to shoot up, when it shoots up the side Branch's shoot out from the plant blocking the lowers from light, by removing the side Branch's ( smaller side limbs ) it allows the light to penetrate deep into the plant,
By attempting to allow the side Branch's to form terminal stems ( they won't ever be as thick or carry as much water or nutes to the bud sites as the thicker terminal stems) the energy is taken from the larger main terminal stems,
If you think of the larger stems as highways feeding the bud at the top , you can also think of the side Branch's as side streets, they are not as big or wide and will not hold as much traffic .
By eliminating the side streets you only have main highways left,
Because of the larger amount of water traveling back and forth along these main highways the buds get more nutrients, water , light and air, this develops them much larger than they would if the smaller buds developed out at the end or the side branchs.
There is normally very little larf at the end of the run to even deal with,
Colas will be around 3 ft deep, with no fluffy bud to deal with,
There is normally around 30 colas when complete (depends on strain)
At 3 ounces each is 5.6 lbs , per thousand
 
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907guy

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@max420thc Isn’t that all null with a scrog? Under a scrog the hormones should be distributed so evenly that there is no “terminal” branches or colas. With a scrog you usually shoot for as many tops as possible, as long as they clear the net they should be golden. I’m not sure I see your point either.

Are you not essentially main lining your plant with your technique? I believe you have to give them 4 main branches or less for a few large colas. If you top it too far down or too early you will end up with just a few “terminal” colas but if you top above 6+ nodes it will branch out and distribute everything fairly evenly.

Also cannopy depth and “stretch” are going to be strain dependent. Some you have to veg until the net is fill, some you flip when the net is only 80% full. That plus the strength of your light and your temp diff will determine stretch.

I also dont get how 3 feet of cannopy could be better for light penetratiom than 8”. If you eleminate colas to get more room around them, those colas MIGHT get bigger but I bet you lose out on overal yield in a big way. For better penetration in a very thick canopy all you have to do is keep leaves pruned and keep a fan on it to move things around and get more “penetration”.

The entire point of a crog is to make everything “top cola” as you said, Cold$moke’s look great to me and we pretty much follow the same schedule as far as removing everything from under the net in the forst 3 weeks or so then periodically/selectively pruning the top when needed.
 
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