Cold$moke's Frost heave

Cold$moke

Cold$moke

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Ok guys this was my last trim up as i slow down when the crystal starts showing.

I still wana know how i dont have penetration or airflow.?

Like i said all growth above net lvl is NEW growth with the tallet tops being about a foot now and i think the stretch is done (also first run on this strain)


Day 1 in flower
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Day 26 in flower after a hard haircut sorry guys my ocd got the better of me but i left a few un plucked colas lol20180317_015510.jpg
 
Cold$moke

Cold$moke

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max420thc said:
You turn the terminal stems into top colas basically.
The terminal stem is the heavy thick main stems shooting up.
As the plant is in bloom it starts to shoot up, when it shoots up the side Branch's shoot out from the plant blocking the lowers from light, by removing the side Branch's ( smaller side limbs ) it allows the light to penetrate deep into the plant,
By attempting to allow the side Branch's to form terminal stems ( they won't ever be as thick or carry as much water or nutes to the bud sites as the thicker terminal stems) the energy is taken from the larger main terminal stems,
If you think of the larger stems as highways feeding the bud at the top , you can also think of the side Branch's as side streets, they are not as big or wide and will not hold as much traffic .
By eliminating the side streets you only have main highways left,
Because of the larger amount of water traveling back and forth along these main highways the buds get more nutrients, water , light and air, this develops them much larger than they would if the smaller buds developed out at the end or the side branchs.
There is normally very little larf at the end of the run to even deal with,
Colas will be around 3 ft deep, with no fluffy bud to deal with,
There is normally around 30 colas when complete (depends on strain)
At 3 ounces each is 5.6 lbs , per thousand
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Im really trying to be respectful but this is the same point as last time i had talked with you .

Where i asked specific questions and you just kept repeating the same thing as what i quoted


I do like to learn new tricks but you make it hard for me to want to trust in the method when i ask these questions. :)

I say this because what you write IS what was popular 15 years ago

Old school growers called it lollypopping :)
 
kingtitan

kingtitan

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I don't see any issue with the air flow or penetration. If anything I like to have more coverage so I have not trimmed much at all, just some stuff below the net.

Right now my canopy is ~22" from the base and with the light 14" away It is still quite a bit of light coming through, plenty of airflow which I can visually track blowing clouds from my vape.
 
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max420thc

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Cold$moke said:
Im really trying to be respectful but this is the same point as last time i had talked with you .

Where i asked specific questions and you just kept repeating the same thing as what i quoted


I do like to learn new tricks but you make it hard for me to want to trust in the method when i ask these questions. :)

I say this because what you write IS what was popular 15 years ago

Old school growers called it lollypopping :)
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Sorry dude, I will leave you alone
 
Cold$moke

Cold$moke

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Still on herm alert but havent seen anything yet still.

The SMELLS. Are coming though.

Hard to describe the amnesia kinda citrus cheesy cleaner? Little sweet little sour with a pinch of that haze smell but not much but very loud about it stem rubs leave my fingers greasy.

Ggg mindscapes #1 (big) is a grapeish one so far with the ggg #2 smelling more like plums
Will be hard to cut out either lol final chop will tell

Now to the bagseeds som bitches
Both the big ones SMELL just like orange sherbert or push pop ice cream :)

And the tiny bastard that will probaly get cut for round 2 unless its just wows me
But it smells like the orange candy slices that are coverd with sugar

More of a sharp orange then the creamier ones .
But its slow growth will seriously make me think twice about running it again
 
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max420thc

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Cold$moke said:
Like i said bro no disrespect intended

I do want to learn any and all methods so i can best decide what works for me.

We just have to get clearer on some things

Im still down to try on the next run
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It is kind of like lolly popping ,
I do not call this method lolly popping or even defoliating . But trimming .
The colas need to be elongated and the canopy thinned so light can pentrate deep.
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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max420thc said:
You turn the terminal stems into top colas basically.
The terminal stem is the heavy thick main stems shooting up.
As the plant is in bloom it starts to shoot up, when it shoots up the side Branch's shoot out from the plant blocking the lowers from light, by removing the side Branch's ( smaller side limbs ) it allows the light to penetrate deep into the plant,
By attempting to allow the side Branch's to form terminal stems ( they won't ever be as thick or carry as much water or nutes to the bud sites as the thicker terminal stems) the energy is taken from the larger main terminal stems,
If you think of the larger stems as highways feeding the bud at the top , you can also think of the side Branch's as side streets, they are not as big or wide and will not hold as much traffic .
By eliminating the side streets you only have main highways left,
Because of the larger amount of water traveling back and forth along these main highways the buds get more nutrients, water , light and air, this develops them much larger than they would if the smaller buds developed out at the end or the side branchs.
There is normally very little larf at the end of the run to even deal with,
Colas will be around 3 ft deep, with no fluffy bud to deal with,
There is normally around 30 colas when complete (depends on strain)
At 3 ounces each is 5.6 lbs , per thousand
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I think I get what your saying..its the smaller side branches not the side branches themselves. Really interesting idea. makes sense and would suit a scrog to, may extend veg time though.
 
bigfattone420

bigfattone420

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Cold$moke said:
Yea thats why i built my rdwc set ups was less waste.........but then i realized it all adds up with circ pumps running 24/7 air pumps too..

So now i want to find a media less and almost pumpless setup although ill still use a pump to deliver nutes it wont be a 900 gph running all day :)

Ive done low pressure areo in fence posts,dwc,
Aero/dwc, coco, and rdwc

I liked all of them but they all have issues.


If this next set up comes close ill be converting my whole room.

Ill explain how i HOPE my meniscus nft will work :)
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So what was the issue you found with the Coco?...Did you ever mix the Coco with soil?....
 
Cold$moke

Cold$moke

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bigfattone420 said:
So what was the issue you found with the Coco?...Did you ever mix the Coco with soil?....
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No i never did mix coco and dirt i figured the 2 preform so differently that i figure its best not to mix them much.

My issues with coco where these i hate carrying bags of coco lol.

Fungus gnats , mess , ease of flushing

Thats it other then that it worked great and i grew great weed with it :)

But i just like the simplicity of balling my roots up and tossing to the compost pile .

Oh yea GNATS lil bastards
 
bigfattone420

bigfattone420

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Cold$moke said:
No i never did mix coco and dirt i figured the 2 preform so differently that i figure its best not to mix them much.

My issues with coco where these i hate carrying bags of coco lol.

Fungus gnats , mess , ease of flushing

Thats it other then that it worked great and i grew great weed with it :)

But i just like the simplicity of balling my roots up and tossing to the compost pile .

Oh yea GNATS lil bastards
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Yes definitely Gnats are a problem...,yes you have to flush the Coco ..No matter what they say how clean it suppose to be..They always have salt still in them...I asked you about the Coco/Soil i mixed some & it wasn't bad (didn't really now what i was doing:confused::shock:) jut mixed it..It worked enough for me to revisit it again as a test whenever i'm back in the saddle...Gnats were a problem.. :hump:
 
bigfattone420

bigfattone420

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Cold$moke said:
Ha ha nah its what happens when you stress an auto plant with root pruning experiments lmao

She stayed ...um...small.. lol but shes full of my first seed chuck
Sleeskunk male X dutch passion auto blackberry kush. Fem

Waiting for my beans to ripen up.



The bad thing is i hope no stray pollen is still alive in my room cause i saw some funny red hairs on a couple buds and was like wtf.
I thought male pollen dies after 2 weeks in grow rooms

Im going to give my room a full water misting to kill anything if its floating around.

I dont mind one or 2 but if my whole room gets seedy ill be pissed lol
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The seeds will be Auto/Photo or Both?
 
Cold$moke

Cold$moke

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bigfattone420 said:
Yes definitely Gnats are a problem...,yes you have to flush the Coco ..No matter what they say how clean it suppose to be..They always have salt still in them...I asked you about the Coco/Soil i mixed some & it wasn't bad (didn't really now what i was doing:confused::shock:) jut mixed it..It worked enough for me to revisit it again as a test whenever i'm back in the saddle...Gnats were a problem.. :hump:
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Its all good i use my old coco out i the garden so i guess i HAVE. Mixed with dirt after all lol

But i would treat it as soil then thats just ammended with coco :)

Yes i still use coco in my rooms for seedlings but i recently changed to rockwool and i like it so far :)
 
Cold$moke

Cold$moke

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bigfattone420 said:
The seeds will be Auto/Photo or Both?
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Ha ha that one was a BIG fail for old coldsmoke
I dont know if my pollen wasnt viable as its a year old.

Anyways i only got one fuckin seed ha ha ha

I wanted about 50 lol

I was hoping for both auto and photo that way i could try to make more autos

Its all good that little girl was abused

Im going to try again when i got some fresh pollen :)


If i didnt seed my room
 
0321Marine

0321Marine

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Im interested to see how those beauties look after that "ocd session" of defoliation ;-).. you seem to have that shit down Cold$moke, and I gotta say I am loving visiting this journal of yours. Im learning all sorts of interesting things, and I cant wait to science like you're doing. My reasons for starting to grow indoor, were mostly about experimenting and just enjoying the hobby, so this thread of yours is awfully inspirational.
 
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