Hazeman Seeds

[sourgummy]

What are everyone's favorite hazeman strains he has? I was looking at getting his strawberry diesel x aloha ww. I hear y'all talking about his 88 g13 hp so I am guessing that is very good too? So far lemon stomper is a favorite of mine just looking at it. White grapes will go into flower in a month or so assuming I have a female. I want to buy some more of his.

 

[jayblaze710]

Well if he was legit giving it away then wouldn’t people be running those freebies instead of buying hazemans gear?
I have no dog in this fight btw just giving a different perspective.
But all this talk of ethics is a bit unfair.
If no one made more seeds or crosses then all the work would be for nothing.
To many of the best strains have been lost and I’m glad that these g13hp are available to everyone not just a small group of hoarders

His intentions weren’t to hoard it. He didn’t want people to profit off of it, he wanted the line just given away.

 

[jayblaze710]

i think thenotsoesoteric has the feel of this thread in that most are not interested in the ins & outs or the intrigue of what maybe/could be...one gets the notion there are some personal axes being ground here, possibly for a genuine reason, but again thats not in the interest of real growers, what matters in general is...are Hazemans strains worth growing? from what ive seen the overwhelming majority support his strains, the only true way to prove if his gear is ok or not is to just grow it out then give an honest report back to the growing community...isnt that what RIU was invented for in the first place?

Ok. So some people don’t care about the genetics behind his strains. That’s fine. You do you.

But many of do care because it’s important. There’s so much misinformation, and incorrectly labeled cuts and crosses that sometimes it’s tough to truly verify people have what they think they have. Many of the top breeders I admire today work diligently to verify and preserve older genetics. Hazeman labels a backcross LA Pure Kush. Cali Conn has a Chem 91 skva strain which might not even have Chem 91 in it. Some people don’t care they just want fire. That’s fine, but coming from the preservation side of things, it’s important.

 

[greencropper]

Ok. So some people don’t care about the genetics behind his strains. That’s fine. You do you.

But many of do care because it’s important. There’s so much misinformation, and incorrectly labeled cuts and crosses that sometimes it’s tough to truly verify people have what they think they have. Many of the top breeders I admire today work diligently to verify and preserve older genetics. Hazeman labels a backcross LA Pure Kush. Cali Conn has a Chem 91 skva strain which might not even have Chem 91 in it. Some people don’t care they just want fire. That’s fine, but coming from the preservation side of things, it’s important.

ummm to a certain point i care, but we never really know what is the real truth anyway regarding a strain as its entirely on the shoulders of the breeder what info is released whether its true or otherwise...yourself & cold bulldog are welcome to start a new thread possibly titled 'Hazeman Seeds(for those who really care about the finer details)'...because i think you're on the wrong thread if you think most here do?

 

[genuity]

Oh to be a breeder.....

 

[Sour Wreck]

Oh to be a breeder.....

 

[N.R.G.]

Ok. So some people don’t care about the genetics behind his strains. That’s fine. You do you.

But many of do care because it’s important. There’s so much misinformation, and incorrectly labeled cuts and crosses that sometimes it’s tough to truly verify people have what they think they have. Many of the top breeders I admire today work diligently to verify and preserve older genetics. Hazeman labels a backcross LA Pure Kush. Cali Conn has a Chem 91 skva strain which might not even have Chem 91 in it. Some people don’t care they just want fire. That’s fine, but coming from the preservation side of things, it’s important.

What does one have to do with the other? If Hazeman back crosses La Pure 4 times and then took that male and bred it to La Pure, it's freaking LA Pure in seed form. It's no different than Pro. P of Dynasty's Blue Magoo. You sound to me like someone in the industry smurfing under this screen name. I'm not sure what you're talking about with this preservation crap. Hazeman has spent a lot of time keeping and preserving old strains. Who else has Deep Chunk, Blowfish, Black Russian, '88g13/HP, Strawberry Cough and so on???

 

[torontoke]

His intentions weren’t to hoard it. He didn’t want people to profit off of it, he wanted the line just given away.

Please point me to the list to sign up for some of the intended freebies.
Not available anymore is my guess so perhaps this method of preservation clearly doesn’t work.
I agree 100% about preserving and keeping quality stuff around but I think it’s crazy for anyone to think that they can control what happens to a plant after they’ve given seeds away. Credit to the “breeder” should be more then enough

 

[thenotsoesoteric]

You’ve got a lot of wrong info.

The 88g13HP is an inbred line worked by NDNguy. He’s the one who gave out the seeds and didn’t want anyone to profit from it. Hazeman just got a hold of some seeds and F2ed them.

Also, the HP in 88g13HP wasn’t a clone only, it comes from Sensi Seeds stock. They crossed it to the clone only G13. NDNguy then worked the line over multiple generations. 88g13HP IS the pure line that wasn’t supposed to be sold for profit.

You can argue whether or not what Hazeman is doing is ethical or not, but by selling the seeds he’s going directly against the intentions of the person who spent years working the line and chose to give it away.

You're right, I was thinking it was a clone but now I read your comment I do remember reading something about this years ago. I get what you're saying now and it is kind of shitty if Hazeman has or had any respect for the original breeder.

 

[greencropper]

Oh to be a breeder.....

absolutely, ive never claimed to be anything other than a pollen chucker(which is actually the first step in breeding i guess?) lol

 

[thenotsoesoteric]

Please point me to the list to sign up for some of the intended freebies.
Not available anymore is my guess so perhaps this method of preservation clearly doesn’t work.
I agree 100% about preserving and keeping quality stuff around but I think it’s crazy for anyone to think that they can control what happens to a plant after they’ve given seeds away. Credit to the “breeder” should be more then enough

I agree. There has to be incentive for someone to keep a line in pure seed form and just giving away seeds isn't really that incentive.

 

[torontoke]

I agree. There has to be incentive for someone to keep a line in pure seed form and just giving away seeds isn't really that incentive.

I can’t understand why so many people seem so offended by someone else trying to earn a living.
The narrative reads as tho ndnguy toiled away in a sweat shop of a lab creating a pure utopian og for the people. And was taken advantage of by the man.
Much more dramatic then the truth that he bought a pack of another breeders gear found a good pheno and decided to share it. Shouldn’t the og breeder be as upset or moreso ?

If people are gonna start trying to own exclusivity of shit where do they draw the line or starting point?
The entire topic seems to go against the supposed intended ideal imo

Just my two cents
I only want good meds not soap opera dramatics I’ll leave that to those in the “know”

 

[thenotsoesoteric]

I can’t understand why so many people seem so offended by someone else trying to earn a living.
The narrative reads as tho ndnguy toiled away in a sweat shop of a lab creating a pure utopian og for the people. And was taken advantage of by the man.
Much more dramatic then the truth that he bought a pack of another breeders gear found a good pheno and decided to share it. Shouldn’t the og breeder be as upset or moreso ?

If people are gonna start trying to own exclusivity of shit where do they draw the line or starting point?
The entire topic seems to go against the supposed intended ideal imo

Just my two cents
I only want good meds not soap opera dramatics I’ll leave that to those in the “know”

Well said

 

[genuity]

I can’t understand why so many people seem so offended by someone else trying to earn a living.
The narrative reads as tho ndnguy toiled away in a sweat shop of a lab creating a pure utopian og for the people. And was taken advantage of by the man.
Much more dramatic then the truth that he bought a pack of another breeders gear found a good pheno and decided to share it. Shouldn’t the og breeder be as upset or moreso ?

If people are gonna start trying to own exclusivity of shit where do they draw the line or starting point?
The entire topic seems to go against the supposed intended ideal imo

Just my two cents
I only want good meds not soap opera dramatics I’ll leave that to those in the “know”

Soap opera sells.... & most humans love to pick sides.

 

[silverhazefiend]

This topic has been online for years .. im not sure how one part goes but i believe ndn gave mota rebel the seeds for repro and mota selected the sativa side and gave them away as freebies i also rememeber reading hazeman selected more to the indica side .. theres a thread on it on thc or somewhere its really a long story

Also there was THH (aka hawaiian) whos a a really good dude btw who also had the Molokai frost he asked not to be sold and given away .. i think hazeman did some selections and crosses it to his bluegod male and released that .. but i think for a limited time he sold pure frost .. which sparked a debate on ic on ethics i dont think he sells it pure ..

Its hard for ndn to get the g13 to everybody who wants to grow it so i can see the problem with people wanting it and it not being available to get it so as a consumer a 25 dollar option would be ya next bet .. not knowing either party or the story behind it most people would careless its a crazy situatuon

 

[Stoned Cold Bulldog]

Dude get a life bruh.

I can assume what ever the hell I want and I do. All I know is I posted up pictures of weed that I grew from hazeman. It is just as his descriptions said.

What have you done here? Cry and just blurt out the most incomprehensible long ass winded ramblings.

i ask about what i'm interested in. ii try to get feedback to help with what i am interested in. I DON'T CARE IF YOU Or others aren't sharing my interest. do you post soley to have others ride your jock or jump on a bandwagon your started on a topic. i don't think so. so don't act like i need to do that you jack ass. ur not even a legit jack ass based on your comments to me. stfu!

if u have a problem with me voicing my opinion yet can say what you want to. then don't say shit about what i comment on. it's that simple. what have i done here. stfu with that bull shit. i don't need a fucking resume here to say what i want about whatever i want. gtfo with your weak ass questions. u don;t have to read shit i post. ignore it dude. i'm not making you read shit you don't want too. grow the fuck up or stfu or both.

 

[sourgummy]

i ask about what i'm interested in. ii try to get feedback to help with what i am interested in. I DON'T CARE IF YOU Or others aren't sharing my interest. do you post soley to have others ride your jock or jump on a bandwagon your started on a topic. i don't think so. so don't act like i need to do that you jack ass. ur not even a legit jack ass based on your comments to me. stfu!

if u have a problem with me voicing my opinion yet can say what you want to. then don't say shit about what i comment on. it's that simple. what have i done here. stfu with that bull shit. i don't need a fucking resume here to say what i want about whatever i want. gtfo with your weak ass questions. u don;t have to read shit i post. ignore it dude. i'm not making you read shit you don't want too. grow the fuck up or stfu or both.

my advice is to start your own thread discussing his ethics. Yes you have the right to talk about what you desire, but please don't clog up this thread with that stuff that is not really factual. It could be, but there is no way to be totally certain. This thread is hopefully to be about hazeman's gear and how it grows, etc. I don't believe the intention was to discuss his ethics. Or you would be best to just continue asking your questions and forget the ill-posts. One way to know you have matured over lots of people is when you realize not every situation requires a reaction. That last sentence would serve so many people well, it does me.

 

[Anothermeduser]

my advice is to start your own thread discussing his ethics. Yes you have the right to talk about what you desire, but please don't clog up this thread with that stuff that is not really factual. It could be, but there is no way to be totally certain. This thread is hopefully to be about hazeman's gear and how it grows, etc. I don't believe the intention was to discuss his ethics. Or you would be best to just continue asking your questions and forget the ill-posts. One way to know you have matured over lots of people is when you realize not every situation requires a reaction. That last sentence would serve so many people well, it does me.

Well said...... i am curious as to the capabilities to the genetics available, dont give a shit of the politics, bulldog ahould start a thread as i have to skip his input anyway here as i dont care for opinions as such based on drama or opinion, take that shit to political secton.

 

[kona gold]

If guys don't want their genetics out to the public, then why would they give them to a breeder, regardless of instructions!!??!!
Duh!

 

[thenotsoesoteric]

i ask about what i'm interested in. ii try to get feedback to help with what i am interested in. I DON'T CARE IF YOU Or others aren't sharing my interest. do you post soley to have others ride your jock or jump on a bandwagon your started on a topic. i don't think so. so don't act like i need to do that you jack ass. ur not even a legit jack ass based on your comments to me. stfu!

if u have a problem with me voicing my opinion yet can say what you want to. then don't say shit about what i comment on. it's that simple. what have i done here. stfu with that bull shit. i don't need a fucking resume here to say what i want about whatever i want. gtfo with your weak ass questions. u don;t have to read shit i post. ignore it dude. i'm not making you read shit you don't want too. grow the fuck up or stfu or both.

Nobody cares bruh. And no one reads your long ass stupid post.