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ttystikk

ttystikk

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If you're reading this now, you're on the Internet. If you're in the Internet, you are being tracked and every move is being recorded by multiple organizations for a myriad of reasons, some more malevolent than others.

A more perfect system of surveillance and dissemination of targeted propaganda could not be dreamed of.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/04/02/facebook-and-the-rise-of-anti-social-media/

Your privacy is gone in exchange for the ability to surf porn, lie on Facebook and order socks on Amazon Prime.
 
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schuylaar

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ttystikk said:
If you're reading this now, you're on the Internet. If you're in the Internet, you are being tracked and every move is being recorded by multiple organizations for a myriad of reasons, some more malevolent than others.

A more perfect system of surveillance and dissemination of targeted propaganda could not be dreamed of.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/04/02/facebook-and-the-rise-of-anti-social-media/

Your privacy is gone in exchange for the ability to surf porn, lie on Facebook and order socks on Amazon Prime.
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This is the evil of it..by and large The Zuck outsmarted himself..

Facebook made Mark Zuckerberg stupendously rich through speculation that its platform could be ‘monetized,’ meaning that both the platform and its embedded data could be sold to commercial interests. Facebook’s defense to date, that it didn’t intentionally allow CA to download its data, could most probably be restated as: it didn’t intend to let CA do so without direct payment to it. This is similar to the half-stated purposes the American intelligence agencies have given for their own data collection activities.

Our beloved Millenials never detected this betrayal ..I would really hate to be Zuckerburg in about 5-10.

Unless you have friends that need to find you from a past life (no thank you) delete it, suspend it, close it..I don’t care that you’re at Chilis and had chicken fajitas nor do I need to see it.

If you’re out of college and still ‘friending’?:wall:
 
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peabody2018

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schuylaar said:
This is the evil of it..by and large The Zuck outsmarted himself..

Facebook made Mark Zuckerberg stupendously rich through speculation that its platform could be ‘monetized,’ meaning that both the platform and its embedded data could be sold to commercial interests. Facebook’s defense to date, that it didn’t intentionally allow CA to download its data, could most probably be restated as: it didn’t intend to let CA do so without direct payment to it. This is similar to the half-stated purposes the American intelligence agencies have given for their own data collection activities.

Our beloved Millenials never detected this betrayal ..I would really hate to be Zuckerburg in about 5-10.

Unless you have friends that need to find you from a past life (no thank you) delete it, suspend it, close it..I don’t care that you’re at Chilis and had chicken fajitas nor do I need to see it.

If you’re out of college and still ‘friending’?:wall:
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Facebook allowed the Obama campaign access to all their data free of charge. This isn’t the first time this has happened
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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schuylaar said:
This is the evil of it..by and large The Zuck outsmarted himself..

Facebook made Mark Zuckerberg stupendously rich through speculation that its platform could be ‘monetized,’ meaning that both the platform and its embedded data could be sold to commercial interests. Facebook’s defense to date, that it didn’t intentionally allow CA to download its data, could most probably be restated as: it didn’t intend to let CA do so without direct payment to it. This is similar to the half-stated purposes the American intelligence agencies have given for their own data collection activities.

Our beloved Millenials never detected this betrayal ..I would really hate to be Zuckerburg in about 5-10.

Unless you have friends that need to find you from a past life (no thank you) delete it, suspend it, close it..I don’t care that you’re at Chilis and had chicken fajitas nor do I need to see it.

If you’re out of college and still ‘friending’?:wall:
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Aren't you blaming the victim? Facebook had a legal obligation to protect their account holder's data and they didn't. Facebook's business model is vile and take advantage of how little people understand about how its business model works against their users. There are limits to what other companies may do with the public's information. Banks, phone companies, HMOs all have privacy laws. Facebook, Amazon, Google are the ones who are the ones in the wrong here, not the users.

I don't use Facebook but I'm not a seventeen year old whose entire social group uses it daily. Facebook is taking advantage of fools, this is true. Still, that's no reason to give it a pass.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
If you're reading this now, you're on the Internet. If you're in the Internet, you are being tracked and every move is being recorded by multiple organizations for a myriad of reasons, some more malevolent than others.

A more perfect system of surveillance and dissemination of targeted propaganda could not be dreamed of.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/04/02/facebook-and-the-rise-of-anti-social-media/

Your privacy is gone in exchange for the ability to surf porn, lie on Facebook and order socks on Amazon Prime.
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Counterpunch is a propaganda website to push the right wing agenda. Whatever comes from there is suspect.
 
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peabody2018

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Fogdog said:
Aren't you blaming the victim? Facebook had a legal obligation to protect their account holder's data and they didn't. Facebook's business model is vile and take advantage of how little people understand about how its business model works against their users. There are limits to what other companies may do with the public's information. Banks, phone companies, HMOs all have privacy laws. Facebook, Amazon, Google are the ones who are the ones in the wrong here, not the users.

I don't use Facebook but I'm not a seventeen year old whose entire social group uses it daily. Facebook is taking advantage of fools, this is true. Still, that's no reason to give it a pass.
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Doesn’t the user agreement give them the right to sell our information?
 
SmokeyMcChokey

SmokeyMcChokey

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Fogdog said:
Counterpunch is a propaganda website to push the right wing agenda. Whatever comes from there is suspect.
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So you got me curious if that were true. Just in case you weren't being facetious countertonguepunch is apparently a "left leaning/progressive" website. they price themselves in haveing a radical attitude. So ya know maybe junk but not right wingy
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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SmokeyMcChokey said:
So you got me curious if that were true. Just in case you weren't being facetious countertonguepunch is apparently a "left leaning/progressive" website. they price themselves in haveing a radical attitude. So ya know maybe junk but not right wingy
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Where do they get their funding? I've looked and can't find their own description of their funding model. It's purportedly left leaning but if you look at their bias (everybody is biased, I'm not carping about that), they spend an inordinate amount of time criticizing Democrats but not so much Republicans. Useful for pushing the right wing agenda, hmmm?

They were completely involved in the Trump-Russian collusion scandal:

per wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CounterPunch
Russian disinformation[edit]
During the 2016 presidential election, CounterPunch published the writings of Alice Donovan who purported to be a freelance writer but was in fact a pseudonymous employee of the Russian government.[12] Donovan was tracked by the FBI for nine months.[12] According to The Washington Post, "she seemed to be doing the Kremlin’s bidding by stoking discontent toward Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton and touting WikiLeaks, which U.S. officials say was a tool of Russia’s broad influence operation to affect the presidential race."[12] In late November 2017, the Washington Post contacted CounterPunch about Donovan; co-editor Jeffrey St. Clair said that Donovan's pitches did not stand out amongst the pitches that CounterPunch received daily.[12] St. Clair asked Donovan to substantiate her identity by sending a photo of her driving license but Donovan never responded.[12] On the same day the Washington Post article was published on Donovan, St. Clair and Frank published a piece stating that CounterPunch only ran one article by Alice Donovan during the 2016 election, which was on cyber-breaches of medical databases. They also exposed Donovan as a serial plagiarizer.[13] In addition, in another follow-up article St. Clair and Frank exposed a network of alleged trolls that operated a site called Inside Syria Media Center, which promoted a pro-Bashar al-Assad and pro-Russian view of the Syrian Civil War. St. Clair and Frank speculated that the website was connected to the same network of trolls as Alice Donovan.[14]

LOL, they came clean AFTER WaPo exposed that they were publishing without review articles written by a Russian spy. The internet is rife with these supposed left leaning blogs or in this case accumulator and they never publish how they are funded. The formula is always the same -- writing with supposed leftist sentiment that hits the Democratic Party hard and hardly ever mentions the Republicans who are today in full throttle rape and pillage mode.

Which is why I say

Counterpunch is a propaganda website to push the right wing agenda. Whatever comes from there is suspect.

This is my opinion and I can be proven wrong but everything I see coming from them stinks of propaganda. I don't mind having a rational discussion about this. Something tty is incapable of.
 
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SmokeyMcChokey

SmokeyMcChokey

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Fogdog said:
Where do they get their funding? I've looked and can't find their own description of their funding model. It's purportedly left leaning but if you look at their bias (everybody is biased, I'm not carping about that), they spend an inordinate amount of time criticizing Democrats but not so much Republicans. Useful for pushing the right wing agenda, hmmm?

They were completely involved in the Trump-Russian collusion scandal:

per wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CounterPunch
Russian disinformation[edit]
During the 2016 presidential election, CounterPunch published the writings of Alice Donovan who purported to be a freelance writer but was in fact a pseudonymous employee of the Russian government.[12] Donovan was tracked by the FBI for nine months.[12] According to The Washington Post, "she seemed to be doing the Kremlin’s bidding by stoking discontent toward Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton and touting WikiLeaks, which U.S. officials say was a tool of Russia’s broad influence operation to affect the presidential race."[12] In late November 2017, the Washington Post contacted CounterPunch about Donovan; co-editor Jeffrey St. Clair said that Donovan's pitches did not stand out amongst the pitches that CounterPunch received daily.[12] St. Clair asked Donovan to substantiate her identity by sending a photo of her driving license but Donovan never responded.[12] On the same day the Washington Post article was published on Donovan, St. Clair and Frank published a piece stating that CounterPunch only ran one article by Alice Donovan during the 2016 election, which was on cyber-breaches of medical databases. They also exposed Donovan as a serial plagiarizer.[13] In addition, in another follow-up article St. Clair and Frank exposed a network of alleged trolls that operated a site called Inside Syria Media Center, which promoted a pro-Bashar al-Assad and pro-Russian view of the Syrian Civil War. St. Clair and Frank speculated that the website was connected to the same network of trolls as Alice Donovan.[14]

LOL, they came clean AFTER WaPo exposed that they were publishing without review articles written by a Russian spy. The internet is rife with these supposed left leaning blogs or in this case accumulator and they never publish how they are funded. The formula is always the same -- writing with supposed leftist sentiment that hits the Democratic Party hard and hardly ever mentions the Republicans who are today in full throttle rape and pillage mode.

Which is why I say

Counterpunch is a propaganda website to push the right wing agenda. Whatever comes from there is suspect.

This is my opinion and I can be proven wrong but everything I see coming from them stinks of propaganda. I don't mind having a rational discussion about this. Something tty is incapable of.
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Fair enough. I'll be honest I've not the time tonight to sift through any of their articles. I half glanced over something mentioning Russian collusion issues but got called away at work. So I suppose I see how that would garner some attention
 
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