Greenpoint seeds!!

Heisengrow said:
My ghost s1s were kick ass.one. really stood out so I kept it.
Rare dankness has gone to shit.fuck em.hope it never happens to GP
My last order from the Dutch I had the ol switcheroo on a mix n match order.i ordered some darkhorse seeds and 3 germinated out of 8.two of them were so fucked up I tossed em all.no breeders pack just some random ass seeds in a bag.
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i think bakersfield got his seed from a breeder in spain, licensed by RD. at least i read that some where. my GTH is bad ass. got them from James Bean Co
 
Bakersfield said:
I said this before, but I sent Rare Dankness an Email explaining how I felt about the 6 pack of Ghost Train Haze fems I grew of theirs.
They did offer me another pack, but i declined the offer and the chance to waste 16 weeks of garden space for the equivalent of Big Bud in a sativa form.
There is a chance that Herbies Headshop switched my seeds, especially after I chose stealth shipping.
Needless to say that I've never ordered from them again either.
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You got swapped probably man. Raredankness did out source his breeding to Spain for all Europe orders in order to avoid being busted by feds (Probably what will happen to GU with all the enemies he is making). It was the smart thing to do legally, but not for his business. If the quality was like big bud it was 1. Pollination from another variety that was accident (careless unprofessional greedy breeding). 2. Swapped seeds. Europe is really fuckin shady for the most part when it comes to everything from mail to seed swaps to making F2's to send you instead of originals. There is so much fake product out there since it so easy for them to copy packages. Whole organized crime focused on this and oyu better bet they are heavy in seed business anywhere big money can be made.

I would never order US genetics from a company outside the US, ever.

The real GTH is friggin fire...and looks fire. Only thing is it can herm...lots of reports.
 
Bakersfield said:
I've heard it said that rarely are any of the S1's as great as the parent, but their outcrosses or further S generations can really impress.
I've no practical experience though, so I'm game to try em.

I'm probably shutting down for a while, so I'm not sure when I'll get to my wedding cake S1 but hopefully it won't be more than a few months as I get settled in and buy a tent setup.
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This is BS. It all depends on selection. Most S1's are extremely similar but ti depends on how big of a gene pool you are working with from the parent. IE s1'ing an MNS variety will yield a large amount fo variation because he really did keep the originals and doesnt fuck the customer out of the wide gene pool. s1'ing Sannies Skunk or Jacks will yield less variation the lines much smaller gene pool. Selfing most OG's SD or similar will yield very like results. You can definitely find plants you can't distinguish from the mother...

Careful what all of you wish for though. I have no doubts someone will drop all of Gu's lines as s1's in retaliation at 10$ a pack to prove a point. It will start to be a very boring dried up genetic pool as a result. Just like the music and movie industry no one will take risks investing in real breeding. You will be left with remake after remake even when things are fully legalized.

Also you will start to see a lot of selfed lines that were bred to the point of inbreeding depression so that they can't be used further down the line. I already do this with my female lots /shrug. When trying to breed with them it is similar to breeding with Cali-o the further you go the worse it gets from herms on down. =) Greenhouse was also way ahead of their time.

Or simply people will never release parents in pure form and will only cross to recessive mothers or fathers...(I already do this too). I will sell you flowers of my elite but you can fuck off as far as getting a cut or pollen. Most breeders here are not in the AG industry and way behind Europe. They are morons for giving their business away. And don't think there aren't people out there with endless money buying up all their genetic lines they can't copy right due to legal reasons currently only to do it for themselves in the future and Microsoft or Apple the market...
 
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First picture is the Pig Whistle pheno I kept. Short and squatty, which is perfect for my current closet grow. It has been loving life and has not shown any signs of stress or lockout.
The Pig Whistle pheno that my buddy kept is a Sativa Dominant and would not be a good tent or closet choice, as it is already 7 feet tall and is only 4 weeks into flowering.

Second picture is a new pig for the farm. It is my son's 4-H project.
 

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MrChocolateGrow said:
Thanks you for growing this out. Been contemplating growing this out for weeks. Please keep us updated.
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It has been very easy to grow. I haven't had to run around with my head cut off trying to solve problems or train it to grow.
I haven't topped it, hav not fi'md it, I have not lollipopped it.
I'm letting it do it's thing and it is productive.
I did defoliate a few times along the way.
 
tatonka said:
It has been very easy to grow. I haven't had to run around with my head cut off trying to solve problems or train it to grow.
I haven't topped it, hav not fi'md it, I have not lollipopped it.
I'm letting it do it's thing and it is productive.
I did defoliate a few times along the way.
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I love plants that are easy to grow!
My zamaldelica is giving me fits right now. Most finicky plant I've ever grown.
Still smells like hay at week 9... :wall:
 
I read the instagram post a bit, I find it quite interesting the whole genetic ownership debate, I think these guys are really getting what they deserve in the long run by trying to gauge the market for "it" strain's and probably choking up supplies also to keep prices high. I think the business model for seeds will change drastically over the next decade and we are seeing a beginning of it here at greenpoint seeds, Keep up the good work Gu, I love it(looking forward to these s1's). The "it" strain prices=Tulip mania anyone lol....it's coming crashing down
 
40AmpstoFreedom said:
This is BS. It all depends on selection. Most S1's are extremely similar but ti depends on how big of a gene pool you are working with from the parent. IE s1'ing an MNS variety will yield a large amount fo variation because he really did keep the originals and doesnt fuck the customer out of the wide gene pool. s1'ing Sannies Skunk or Jacks will yield less variation the lines much smaller gene pool. Selfing most OG's SD or similar will yield very like results. You can definitely find plants you can't distinguish from the mother...

Careful what all of you wish for though. I have no doubts someone will drop all of Gu's lines as s1's in retaliation at 10$ a pack to prove a point. It will start to be a very boring dried up genetic pool as a result. Just like the music and movie industry no one will take risks investing in real breeding. You will be left with remake after remake even when things are fully legalized.

Also you will start to see a lot of selfed lines that were bred to the point of inbreeding depression so that they can't be used further down the line. I already do this with my female lots /shrug. When trying to breed with them it is similar to breeding with Cali-o the further you go the worse it gets from herms on down. =) Greenhouse was also way ahead of their time.

Or simply people will never release parents in pure form and will only cross to recessive mothers or fathers...(I already do this too). I will sell you flowers of my elite but you can fuck off as far as getting a cut or pollen. Most breeders here are not in the AG industry and way behind Europe. They are morons for giving their business away. And don't think there aren't people out there with endless money buying up all their genetic lines they can't copy right due to legal reasons currently only to do it for themselves in the future and Microsoft or Apple the market...
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I was referring more to S1's of a very limited parental stock, such as S1's of elite cuts. Apparently, S1's of the Chem lines cannot stand on their own, but if you outcross those S1s to another line, then the magic starts to happen.
This is what the Nspecta has said and he has made many S1's of elite clones.
Until I start making my own fems, I'm going to have to ride on the backs of giants.
 
40AmpstoFreedom said:
You got swapped probably man. Raredankness did out source his breeding to Spain for all Europe orders in order to avoid being busted by feds (Probably what will happen to GU with all the enemies he is making). It was the smart thing to do legally, but not for his business. If the quality was like big bud it was 1. Pollination from another variety that was accident (careless unprofessional greedy breeding). 2. Swapped seeds. Europe is really fuckin shady for the most part when it comes to everything from mail to seed swaps to making F2's to send you instead of originals. There is so much fake product out there since it so easy for them to copy packages. Whole organized crime focused on this and oyu better bet they are heavy in seed business anywhere big money can be made.

I would never order US genetics from a company outside the US, ever.

The real GTH is friggin fire...and looks fire. Only thing is it can herm...lots of reports.
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It can herm, but nugs are rock hard !!!!
 
40AmpstoFreedom said:
You got swapped probably man. Raredankness did out source his breeding to Spain for all Europe orders in order to avoid being busted by feds (Probably what will happen to GU with all the enemies he is making). It was the smart thing to do legally, but not for his business. If the quality was like big bud it was 1. Pollination from another variety that was accident (careless unprofessional greedy breeding). 2. Swapped seeds. Europe is really fuckin shady for the most part when it comes to everything from mail to seed swaps to making F2's to send you instead of originals. There is so much fake product out there since it so easy for them to copy packages. Whole organized crime focused on this and oyu better bet they are heavy in seed business anywhere big money can be made.

I would never order US genetics from a company outside the US, ever.

The real GTH is friggin fire...and looks fire. Only thing is it can herm...lots of reports.
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40AmpstoFreedom said:
You got swapped probably man. Raredankness did out source his breeding to Spain for all Europe orders in order to avoid being busted by feds (Probably what will happen to GU with all the enemies he is making). It was the smart thing to do legally, but not for his business. If the quality was like big bud it was 1. Pollination from another variety that was accident (careless unprofessional greedy breeding). 2. Swapped seeds. Europe is really fuckin shady for the most part when it comes to everything from mail to seed swaps to making F2's to send you instead of originals. There is so much fake product out there since it so easy for them to copy packages. Whole organized crime focused on this and oyu better bet they are heavy in seed business anywhere big money can be made.

I would never order US genetics from a company outside the US, ever.

The real GTH is friggin fire...and looks fire. Only thing is it can herm...lots of reports.
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I suspected this all along, that I got the old switch-a-roo. This was a couple of years ago, when it was being fully hyped and it was hard to find. I paid about $200 for the pack.
This is why I bought a couple of Hickoc Haze packs to play with and I'll be bringing down a pack of them soon.
So far the ntoxicating tropical aroma these Hicocks are producing are nothing like the lemon grass n pine of the GTH?, that I grew.
 
predd said:
I read the instagram post a bit, I find it quite interesting the whole genetic ownership debate, I think these guys are really getting what they deserve in the long run by trying to gauge the market for "it" strain's and probably choking up supplies also to keep prices high. I think the business model for seeds will change drastically over the next decade and we are seeing a beginning of it here at greenpoint seeds, Keep up the good work Gu, I love it(looking forward to these s1's). The "it" strain prices=Tulip mania anyone lol....it's coming crashing down
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I was actually thinking about the tulip correlation earlier this week!
The seed business reminds me of the weed business. People acted like their dealer was doing them a favor, when it's just business.
It's been over a decade, but I still remember the look of shock on the face of a medical dispensary owner when I told him his prices were too high and then walked out without buying anything.
He said "good luck" as I was leaving.
LOL
I drove a couple of blocks and paid less money for better herb... 8)
 
40AmpstoFreedom said:
Awesome description thanks a lot. I had a lot of hope for this one =) I'll post pics when I run it soon. Really great to hear the good yields. A buddy of mine has a African and Spanish land race line he has been working that puts out cherry and pineapple and yields great so I am going to pass him a mom or dad and see what he can do with it. You happen to remember if any males smelled sweet in veg? Or how long flowering? I would expect 70 days ~
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thanks, I harvested cackleberry at day 60, but perfectly can leave at 70 days, it will surely be better, as for male plants, 3 out of 8 came out, I still have 3 seeds left to run. 2 males equal to the sisters a little eared and with good vigor, the other was small and did not release odor, all the plants were homogenous in their growth, it is curious that you ask me about the males, hahaha was going to make crosses with them, but the The male I left at the end was a very smelly doc holiday, and in the end, I observed him having trichomes. I put a picture before him. I hope you understand me, I do not write in English. I am not from USA. I love landraces too. Actually have old Congo (Congo Pointe noire x old Timer haze.) Que tengas buen día.:eyesmoke:
 
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