HydroRed
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Might be different if you were trying hydro as a first grow, but considering the mounds of experience you already have I believe your going to really accel with it.
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Randomestguy
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Thanks man and hell yeah got 5 black dog beans along with hella various other strains almost 200 worth (so many first order discounts lol) ideally once I get a perpetual setup whenever that'll be, I'll plant 1 seed and clone it for a whole tent cuz the whole waiting on flowering dynamic of perpetual harvest, and that bud is sexy af, gonna be an easy crowd pleaser. And btw when I say purp I don't mean genetic name just purple or black bud cuz everyone loses their shit over that lmao, also I got a journal going too if you or anyone wants to see, keep up the good work.
Evil-Mobo
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Well I appreciate the vote of confidence
whitebb2727
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Yea. I've grown some of his stuff. Its legit. Its just been a while and I knew he was dealing with Oregon for a while.They came from Shoreline OG himself. Hes got a website HERE or you can contact him on here. If you are familiar with the 90's skunk Im referring to hes definitely the guy to talk to.
Wow, lurking since 2011...Im flattered you posted here first! As for the thread name, it just seemed so fitting.....
Sounds like a hell of a first grow. Not sure I would call Black DOG a "purp" but she def goes black in the last 2-3 wks. Sweet black berry flavor and smell. I popped 1 fem bean and got what everyone seems to expect from her so I dont think there are too many phenos you would encounter other than sweet, blackberry goodness. I'd surely run it again. For stretch, she really wasnt bad at all. I dont even think it doubled its size the entire flower period stretch. Very managable strain with lots of flavor and a "weighty" harvest.
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Thanks brother, all good in the neighborhood! I have a feeling your gonna "dip your toes" in hydro and be doing the breast stroke by lunchtime haha
I looked at his site. Ill hit him up again.
whitebb2727
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I never dealt with them. I dealt with shoreline directly and got some testers. It was a bad year and I got all my outdoors taken and had to chop all indoors due to a legal scare.
I need to order some more off of him and finish it out and document it.
Cold$moke
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Im going to drop my lemon skunk run (since i have run it before)
To roll in some of shorelineog's testers
So ill be running some gps and shoreline gear
Actually im quite interested see them together
For germ rates ,growth ect
HydroRed
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Greatlakesgenetics and Greenpointseeds are tops in my book. OES was good and all, but now their stock is on empty all the time, they got super slow at delivering, and they dont respond to customers on their site or on here (which caused me to miss out on a purchase I was trying to make but couldnt because of issues on their website during the revamp. Seems like everything went downhill after they revamped their website. 
HydroRed
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Plaza Boss (#1 & #2) smoke report
There was very little different between the two plants other than #2 smelled much stronger. All else is basically the same so I will combine the smoke report to reflect this.
Smell- 8/10. Its been in jars for a cpl weeks now and its taking on an acidic, vomit, soured milk smell on top of the syrup/wet tobacco it had on the plant. Im a fan of odd & pungent smells with weed, and this ones got both!
Taste- 7/10. Has a very mellow flavor -much more mellow than you would expect with such a "different" smell. Big smooth hits and zero choke. Has the sweet tobacco flavor on every hit. I was anticipating this to be harsh and to my welcomed suprise it is very smooth on both inhale and exhale.
Potency- 8/10. Buzz was very cerebral. Hits quick with no creeper. Hangtime for the buzz was noteworthy as well. Wont wreck your day if you smoke early. Nice pain relieving properties and is a great social weed. My sis was a total chatter box after smoking. I couldnt get a word in edgewise haha
Bag appeal- 6/10 Though the colas were huge, the buds are a bit fluffy and had a lot of foxtailing. I believe the allure of this bud are in its smells, high and flavors.
Another nug in the jar. On to the next......
There was very little different between the two plants other than #2 smelled much stronger. All else is basically the same so I will combine the smoke report to reflect this.
Smell- 8/10. Its been in jars for a cpl weeks now and its taking on an acidic, vomit, soured milk smell on top of the syrup/wet tobacco it had on the plant. Im a fan of odd & pungent smells with weed, and this ones got both!
Taste- 7/10. Has a very mellow flavor -much more mellow than you would expect with such a "different" smell. Big smooth hits and zero choke. Has the sweet tobacco flavor on every hit. I was anticipating this to be harsh and to my welcomed suprise it is very smooth on both inhale and exhale.
Potency- 8/10. Buzz was very cerebral. Hits quick with no creeper. Hangtime for the buzz was noteworthy as well. Wont wreck your day if you smoke early. Nice pain relieving properties and is a great social weed. My sis was a total chatter box after smoking. I couldnt get a word in edgewise haha
Bag appeal- 6/10 Though the colas were huge, the buds are a bit fluffy and had a lot of foxtailing. I believe the allure of this bud are in its smells, high and flavors.
Another nug in the jar. On to the next......
Bakersfield
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I hear you on OES being to busy to respond.Greatlakesgenetics and Greenpointseeds are tops in my book. OES was good and all, but now their stock is on empty all the time, they got super slow at delivering, and they dont respond to customers on their site or on here (which caused me to miss out on a purchase I was trying to make but couldnt because of issues on their website during the revamp. Seems like everything went downhill after they revamped their website.
I sent out an email to him after poor germination on some "old stock" seeds, that were not advertised as "old".
I finally had to contact the breeder for answers.
One seedbank, I've had great luck with is Neptune Seeds. They carry some great breeders and usually rival OES on drop day of Seed Junky.
MidWestMayhem
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Is that mothers milk revegging after being cut?
Also, quick question red. Can't recall if this is in this post or not so sorry for that if it is
Do you usually always grow in hydroton for your flood and drain tables? And what holds the plant up in the pot, just hydroton? Sorry if this is hella basic, but thats where i'm at in terms of hydro heh
Trying to
knowledge tho.
Also, quick question red. Can't recall if this is in this post or not so sorry for that if it is
Do you usually always grow in hydroton for your flood and drain tables? And what holds the plant up in the pot, just hydroton? Sorry if this is hella basic, but thats where i'm at in terms of hydro heh
Trying to
knowledge tho.
HydroRed
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Correct. I harvested the main cola from it and left the "bottom bush" nugs to reveg since there really wasnt much vegatation on it to begin with.Is that mothers milk revegging after being cut?
Also, quick question red. Can't recall if this is in this post or not so sorry for that if it is
Do you usually always grow in hydroton for your flood and drain tables? And what holds the plant up in the pot, just hydroton? Sorry if this is hella basic, but thats where i'm at in terms of hydro heh
Trying to
I transplanted it into its own waterfarm bucket and shes been under 24 hrs light for about 4 weeks now.
The plants are in 1 gal pots with hydroton when they go into the flood tables. I just use the hydroton in the pots, not the flood tray. By the time they are bulky and top heavy with bud, they are well rooted into the hydroton. Once in a while I'll get a doozie that wants to flip flop all around in the pot, but thats usually right at the end and it means its a monster so I deal with it haha
MidWestMayhem
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Awesome thanks man.
On your re veg operation - where does it go from here. Will you let the buds on there already stay until it has re-flowered? Or will you take them off before you start to re-flower it.
Also, I may have worded the hydroton question poorly. I meant are they rooted in the hydroton in the pots, or do you have the hydroton covering like a rockwool cube or something.
Reason I ask is I am looking into building my own F&D tray, to plant new clones. I use an aeroponic type cloner that just keeps the roots in the air. I'm trying to figure out the best way to move them to the table without damaging the roots, just not sure what the best medium is to use with aeroponic cloning.
Thanks again man. Really appreciate the help!
On your re veg operation - where does it go from here. Will you let the buds on there already stay until it has re-flowered? Or will you take them off before you start to re-flower it.
Also, I may have worded the hydroton question poorly. I meant are they rooted in the hydroton in the pots, or do you have the hydroton covering like a rockwool cube or something.
Reason I ask is I am looking into building my own F&D tray, to plant new clones. I use an aeroponic type cloner that just keeps the roots in the air. I'm trying to figure out the best way to move them to the table without damaging the roots, just not sure what the best medium is to use with aeroponic cloning.
Thanks again man. Really appreciate the help!
HydroRed
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I wont be flowering the momma plants in the veg room. Once it goes 100% back into "veg" I'll take cuts from her and root them. Once the cuts are rooted, I'll transplant into the flood tables and flower them off. I keep the mommas around to get cuts from whenever I like. Now that it is showing signs of actual re-veg and is producing new stems with foliage, I can chop off most of the buds on there. Not sure if you can make it out in the pic, but there are like 5 buds left on the plant, and in the center mass (unseen in pic) has a cluster of small bud/leaf which is where most of the new veg is coming from. I'll be removing the 5 buds today and leaving the center mass. I'll get some pics for ya in a bit.Awesome thanks man.
On your re veg operation - where does it go from here. Will you let the buds on there already stay until it has re-flowered? Or will you take them off before you start to re-flower it.
Also, I may have worded the hydroton question poorly. I meant are they rooted in the hydroton in the pots, or do you have the hydroton covering like a rockwool cube or something.
Reason I ask is I am looking into building my own F&D tray, to plant new clones. I use an aeroponic type cloner that just keeps the roots in the air. I'm trying to figure out the best way to move them to the table without damaging the roots, just not sure what the best medium is to use with aeroponic cloning.
Thanks again man. Really appreciate the help!
About the hydroton-
I usually just transplant them in the hydroton unless it is from seed or if I rooted a cut in a grow plug. Other than that, I just transplant a rooted cut into the 1 gal and bury it with hydroton and get to flooding. I'll usually see roots coming from the bottom of the pot in 3-5 days or so.
I think key to this is letting them get "thirsty" so the roots have to search for water. Careful though because its a fine line between thirsty and starved. Set your flood times accordingly. Aeroponic rooted cuts will work perfect for you in this type of F&D application with hydroton.
MidWestMayhem
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Awesome. I wasn't sure if you could straight up root them in hydroton or not.
Much appreciated.
And that makes sense about just using the flowering cut for vegging / moms / clones. Can you even re-flower like that? No idea how that would work ha
Much appreciated.
And that makes sense about just using the flowering cut for vegging / moms / clones. Can you even re-flower like that? No idea how that would work ha
Randomestguy
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Yo I read you run a perpetual setup, I'm possibly upgrading to that soon, was wondering how big veg and flower tents gotta be relative to each other as my current is 5x5 and I was thinking 4x4 for veg. Not quite sure if I'd need same sized tents as I believe switching to flower causes only vertical growth and they'd be stuck at 4x4 size and the extra space in flowering would be wasted- not quite sure what the case is, but I plan for led veg light and covering a large space with led starts getting pricy. Bigger than 4x4 might be out of my very sad looking budget, thanks for any light shed on the matter 
HydroRed
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I try to run perpetual when I can, but it doesnt always work out so nice with flowering times or room issues haha.Yo I read you run a perpetual setup, I'm possibly upgrading to that soon, was wondering how big veg and flower tents gotta be relative to each other as my current is 5x5 and I was thinking 4x4 for veg. Not quite sure if I'd need same sized tents as I believe switching to flower causes only vertical growth and they'd be stuck at 4x4 size and the extra space in flowering would be wasted- not quite sure what the case is, but I plan for led veg light and covering a large space with led starts getting pricy. Bigger than 4x4 might be out of my very sad looking budget, thanks for any light shed on the matter
Lots of variables there to give a definite answer for veg/flower room space. If you keep veg under control with topping/LST etc, you can do a lot more in veg with smaller spaces. If you do a SOG with lots of single cola plants it would be a piece of cake with very little veg time. If you are going for bushes, you will have not much room for a small number of plants, plus running longer veg times etc. Just kinda depends on how your gonna grow em out. Also, some strains grow up, and some grow outward (just think Indica vs. Sativa) so how they fit the tent will differ from strain to strain as well. As for room space, I've found it better to have it and not need it then to need it and not have it. I've been told my room is under utilized which is true, but Im not at all cramped, I can reach everything with ease, I can move about in my room without damaging plants or knocking stuff over and I have room to expand if I ever choose to. My last grow room was tight and I felt like a bull in a china shoppe every time I tried to do anything in there.
Whats your budget and expectations for the LED lighting if you dont mind me asking? Are you a diy'er? I might be able to help you out with a parts list and build plans for an "affordable" led lighting fixture. I built my last light for less than $1 per watt.
Randomestguy
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I'm not opposed to diy really just money being the limiting factor, led so the power bill ain't through the roof with my 1000w hid. All I need is enough to veg the space, I'm thinking 4 trees cuz you're really just waiting on flowering so there's plenty of veg time (something like start 1 seed and clone a tent because of the long veg, also if it's all clones it'll be fairly uniform). Thinking 4x4 maybe 5x5 (current tent 5x5) and I've got 200 but I'm hoping on a friend loaning me 200-250 so 450$ for EVERYTHING tops. Only 4 also means I can fill it as much as possible and just unzip the tent and access all no prob. Ummm I think I covered most everything. Seriously thanks on the help, only just recently got this grow set up so any money saved is a lifesaver.