Deficiency in plant *Bloom*

[MichiganMedGrower]

I don't know about nutrient lock out. People keep using that term, but it looks to me that the OP is poisoning that plant with too much stuff. I think that's all there is to it. Over fert is shown in dark green leaves with yellow/brown leaf tips, and that's what we see in the photo.

We kind of all said that right away after the original post but the only response from the OP was to invest in more products of the same line and what ppm to give to “balance the plants out”.

Nutrient locknout is simply too much crap built up in the medium and blocking the roots. Nutrient antagonism is when too much of one element blocks uptake and production of another element. Or nutrient balance needs restored is a phrase I see.

We all seem to over invest in the beginning and then of course want what we bought to be right and work. But we eventually figure out how to read plants and what they need to be happy and productive and hopefully stop force feeding them and grow them to their potential.

I was the opposite. I was a gross underfeeder in the beginning. Afraid from all the burned plants I saw online all saying to add more cal mag. Lol.

 

[OldMedUser]

I don't know about nutrient lock out. People keep using that term, but it looks to me that the OP is poisoning that plant with too much stuff. I think that's all there is to it. Over fert is shown in dark green leaves with yellow/brown leaf tips, and that's what we see in the photo.

This is where a lot of lockouts happen Too much of one nutrient blocks absorption of another. Minerals in tap water build up in the soil and cause too high pH which locks out many micro nutrients and tops start dying off.

Following the makers feeding charts blindly is the best way to screw it up. For me, my RH is chronically low which causes my plants to suck up way more water than usual. If my nute level is just half of directions I start getting burn with some strains even tho I use RO water.

Like @MichiganMedGrower says you need to read your plants and give them what they need. Not what you think they need. Takes practice and with decades under my belt I still don't get it right even most of the time. That's why I hang around here. This old dog is eager to learn new tricks and happy to share all I know.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

This is where a lot of lockouts happen Too much of one nutrient blocks absorption of another. Minerals in tap water build up in the soil and cause too high pH which locks out many micro nutrients and tops start dying off.

Following the makers feeding charts blindly is the best way to screw it up. For me, my RH is chronically low which causes my plants to suck up way more water than usual. If my nute level is just half of directions I start getting burn with some strains even tho I use RO water.

Like @MichiganMedGrower says you need to read your plants and give them what they need. Not what you think they need. Takes practice and with decades under my belt I still don't get it right even most of the time. That's why I hang around here. This old dog is eager to learn new tricks and happy to share all I know.

Nice post. I keep practicing a with a new seed or 2 every 2 weeks perpetually. No I don’t get them all perfect. I’m practically a noob in the company we keep here.


All different strains/crosses/phenos from Feminized seed.

 

[GreenHighlander]

Advanced Nutrient Rhino Skin
A/N Base A/B
Grotek Bud Booster
A/N Big Bud
Heavy 16 Prime
A/N Bud Candy
Green Eagle Mighty Boost

Grodan 6" cubes
3 1000 w lights (update on light brand later tonight)
Ph 5.9
Using tap water at the moment
Average around 76/45% t/H
Plants are showing signs of some type of deficiency around day 25. Thought it was potassium but wasn't successful in improving the problem with upping the potassium a little bit. Happened to a closet run a about a month ago and affected yield and ending taste of an otherwise beautiful growing and smelling plant.Buds stopped growing and started losing smell, bud was airy, leaves started getting pale spots and then it spread and they died. Trying to catch it before it gets to that point and is irreversible The strains we're working with are strawberry banana and sherbert. All nutes we use claim to be useable with other lines. Would love opinions on problem and solution.

From my experience with AN years ago, their recipes were way off. Called for way higher ppms then optimum. Great for their business, not so great for plants or the growers wallet. I saw a drastic improvement when I kept ppms under 1200.
All that being said I would not even consider running that overpriced garbage ever again. It cannot touch a good organic premixed soil. Now I save tons of cash and grow much better quality. The only bottle I even have is a bottle of neptunes harvest. Only use one small dose at the start of veg each cycle.
Not knocking bottle folks. Whatever works for each person is actually what is best. But the best advice is to KISS. Less is absolutely more.

Cheers

 

[OldMedUser]

Nice post. I keep practicing a with a new seed or 2 every 2 weeks perpetually. No I don’t get them all perfect. I’m practically a noob in the company we keep here.

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All different strains/crosses/phenos from Feminized seed.

I've grown out so many strains looking for Ms. Goodbud and been disappointed so often. Mainly looking for strains that fixed my depression of 40 years and stopped the needles in my joints from arthritis. Was less than two years ago that I got into high CBD pot and I'm a fan!

Now I'm crossing all my old favorite strains with my Otto#1 girl to get CBD versions of them. Should keep me busy for the rest of the life I have in me but might leave something good behind.

Just found out a couple of years ago my birth mother died at 75 after 10 years of dementia. I'm 63 and hoping it's not genetic.

I was out in BC last August to celebrate my adoptive mother's 90th b-day. Hoping I assimilated some of her genes thru osmosis.

 

[GreenHighlander]

I've grown out so many strains looking for Ms. Goodbud and been disappointed so often. Mainly looking for strains that fixed my depression of 40 years and stopped the needles in my joints from arthritis. Was less than two years ago that I got into high CBD pot and I'm a fan!

Now I'm crossing all my old favorite strains with my Otto#1 girl to get CBD versions of them. Should keep me busy for the rest of the life I have in me but might leave something good behind.

Just found out a couple of years ago my birth mother died at 75 after 10 years of dementia. I'm 63 and hoping it's not genetic.

I was out in BC last August to celebrate my adoptive mother's 90th b-day. Hoping I assimilated some of her genes thru osmosis.

I am also a big fan of CBD strains. Waiting on some Candida to arrive. And am going to pop some Mothers little helper from cult classics soon. The candida is to make just cbd oil. The cc strain I am hoping will be a great thc/cbd mix.
Cheers

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

Marijuana has been proven to stave off dimentia.

 

[OldMedUser]

From my experience with AN years ago, their recipes were way off. Called for way higher ppms then optimum. Great for their business, not so great for plants or the growers wallet. I saw a drastic improvement when I kept ppms under 1200.
All that being said I would not even consider running that overpriced garbage ever again. It cannot touch a good organic premixed soil. Now I save tons of cash and grow much better quality. The only bottle I even have is a bottle of neptunes harvest. Only use one small dose at the start of veg each cycle.
Not knocking bottle folks. Whatever works for each person is actually what is best. But the best advice is to KISS. Less is absolutely more.

Cheers

Follow AN's charts and burn your plants to the ground for sure. I've been using them for 17 years so getting used to them.

The base nutes are no pricier than crappier products. The suckers buy all the other crap claiming "Master" status.

 

[OldMedUser]

Marijuana has been proven to stave off dimentia.

I've read stuff about that too and want to believe it. Had a minor stroke about 5 years ago and still a bit foggy but way better. Fixed up my chronic insomnia but not a cure I'd recommend.

I'm pretty sure that all this dementia is more diet oriented. Junk food leads to junk bodies and minds, We are what we eat.

I haven't eaten a Big Mac in over 30 years, Nor a can of soda the last 5 or 6. There are no prepared meals of any kind in my home. The wife has this years veggies sprouting in the shop window now and demanding some light for her grow! Over 400 leeks sprouted already and half as many garlic with another 50 tomato plants of different strains.

I got 17 pot plants on the go and want to sprout 50 more! She doesn't even give head any more so I'm ready to draw the line!

Not really. She can get her 25 yo girl to take up that chore. lol. Got lots of chickens she breeds and sells eggs from so I do get something out of the deal. Plus both of them cook so I get fed a few times a week. The girl is a better cook with great stir-fries and pasta. Not to mention she jiggles in all the right places.

 

[OldMedUser]

I am also a big fan of CBD strains. Waiting on some Candida to arrive. And am going to pop some Mothers little helper from cult classics soon. The candida is to make just cbd oil. The cc strain I am hoping will be a great thc/cbd mix.
Cheers

I would recommend making cocobudder out of both. I love it for all day pain relief from a dose taken before bed the night before. Can blend them to find the best combo.

If you're into it for medicine then properly prepared edibles is the way to go. Smoking or vaping barely touches deep needs.

;peace:

 

[GreenHighlander]

I would recommend making cocobudder out of both. I love it for all day pain relief from a dose taken before bed the night before. Can blend them to find the best combo.

If you're into it for medicine then properly prepared edibles is the way to go. Smoking or vaping barely touches deep needs.

;peace:

All of my trim and lower buds are made into butter. For years now.
They may not touch deep pain needs. But smoking and vaping does wonders for the mind and vaping is actually better for my neurological needs then eating. But ya for physical pain edibles or oil ingestion is the way to go by far!!!
Cheers

 

[Beachwalker]

I love edibles..!

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

I've read stuff about that too and want to believe it. Had a minor stroke about 5 years ago and still a bit foggy but way better. Fixed up my chronic insomnia but not a cure I'd recommend.

I'm pretty sure that all this dementia is more diet oriented. Junk food leads to junk bodies and minds, We are what we eat.

I haven't eaten a Big Mac in over 30 years, Nor a can of soda the last 5 or 6. There are no prepared meals of any kind in my home. The wife has this years veggies sprouting in the shop window now and demanding some light for her grow! Over 400 leeks sprouted already and half as many garlic with another 50 tomato plants of different strains.

I got 17 pot plants on the go and want to sprout 50 more! She doesn't even give head any more so I'm ready to draw the line!

Not really. She can get her 25 yo girl to take up that chore. lol. Got lots of chickens she breeds and sells eggs from so I do get something out of the deal. Plus both of them cook so I get fed a few times a week. The girl is a better cook with great stir-fries and pasta. Not to mention she jiggles in all the right places. View attachment 4121902

You got the right idea man!

I worked in the natural eye care business as account manager to eye doctors and naturopaths for natural treatments.

All of the bad eye disease like cataracts and macular degeneration are caused by the drains in the eye clogging up from years of poor diet an exercise.

Remove the buildup and cure the symptoms. Just like colesteral related problems.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

All of my trim and lower buds are made into butter. For years now.
They may not touch deep pain needs. But smoking and vaping does wonders for the mind and vaping is actually better for my neurological needs then eating. But ya for physical pain edibles or oil ingestion is the way to go by far!!!
Cheers

Agreed. We make coconut oil with trim and buds from multiple strains at once to get as many diverse cannabanoids in as we can.

Very effective baked goods from Mrs. MMG oh yeah!

 

[GreenHighlander]

Follow AN's charts and burn your plants to the ground for sure. I've been using them for 17 years so getting used to them.

The base nutes are no pricier than crappier products. The suckers buy all the other crap claiming "Master" status.

Ya I meant the full line in their recipe. Crazy expensive. Or was back then anyway. By the end i was just using the iguana juices, piranha, terantula powders, b52, and big bud.
Even if my soil mix cost me more I still would never go back. Quality is like night and day.
Cheers

 

[polishpollack]

You guys are wrong about how to grow. The reason why it might take a grower years to get it right is because you're trying to handle things your own way, with the bottle or crystal fert feedings.
The way to grow is to use a super soil recipe, but put it in the bottom half of the container. Use a weaker soil at the top to accommodate the seedling. You mix up super soil and let it sit for a couple months at a temp of around 60-70 degrees, then late nature handle the rest. Trying to use the many products available is really the wrong way for many people to grow. And this thread proves it as the OP is feeding that stuff just because the can, not because they know what they are doing. Learning to "read plants" wouldn't be necessary if you get the fert/soil mix right. There are recipes out there for super soils that work. Don't use a base potting soil that already has fert in it as that will too much. Some people use Roots as a base, but this also has fert in it. There are seedling soils out there that should work fine as they are light on fert, if any at all.
If you have to make the statement "it's taken me years to get this right," then obviously you didn't know what you were doing.
https://waytogrow.net/blogs/articles/what-is-super-soil-plus-a-professional-review

 

[Michael Huntherz]

You guys are wrong about how to grow.

Is English your first language? If not, then please disregard this post.

If it is, then you’re sounding a bit too proud of yourself. I am saying this as gently as I can manage.
Do you know what you sound like when you say stuff like that?
Not good.
There are a lot of easy ways to grow stuff, your zealotry is noted.

 

[charface]

Do you know what you sound like when you say stuff like that?

Not good.

Is English your first language? If not, then I apologize.

If it is, then you’re sounding a bit too proud of yourself. I am saying this as gently as I can manage. There are a lot of easy ways to grow stuff, your zealotry is noted.

I wasn't sure if it was an attempt at funny so I didn't reply but yeah there is no one correct way.

 

[OldMedUser]

Like born again non-smokers some growers get all up in your face if you don't do it "their way".

I've grown identical clones from the same mom side-by-side. One in pure organics in a pot of dirt using Earth Juice products and another time using the GoBox kit from General Organics while the other clone grew in DWC using AN pH Perfect nutes, with Rhino Skin, Big Bud and some epsom salts. Neither me or friends I asked to try them and report back noticed any difference in the high or taste.

The only real difference to me was twice the yield in DWC for less effort.

I'm now leaning toward sticking to soil/soiless growing in pots. Less dicking around with chillers etc and huge yields aren't really a concern as I grow for me and not for profit. At least half of what I grow is given away and I'm now more into CBD strains that actually help people. I'm older, 63, and my friends range from mid 40s to 71. Most are stoners but I'm gradually building a core of friends that are mainly interested in pot's medicinal value and don't want to get all messed up using it.

Living in the north makes it harder to get the kind of things I need to go full organic. We raise chickens and grow lots of veggies and have 3 large composts we rotate for the garden. I may set up a steam sterilization unit so I can kill everything in the compost and safely use it indoors. Bet that would work fine. I have huge steel pressure tank and all the free firewood I need to cook lots of compost if I want. 7.5 acres and more than half in poplar woods.

Got a room full of plants ready to flip any day now.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

You guys are wrong about how to grow. The reason why it might take a grower years to get it right is because you're trying to handle things your own way, with the bottle or crystal fert feedings.
The way to grow is to use a super soil recipe, but put it in the bottom half of the container. Use a weaker soil at the top to accommodate the seedling. You mix up super soil and let it sit for a couple months at a temp of around 60-70 degrees, then late nature handle the rest. Trying to use the many products available is really the wrong way for many people to grow. And this thread proves it as the OP is feeding that stuff just because the can, not because they know what they are doing. Learning to "read plants" wouldn't be necessary if you get the fert/soil mix right. There are recipes out there for super soils that work. Don't use a base potting soil that already has fert in it as that will too much. Some people use Roots as a base, but this also has fert in it. There are seedling soils out there that should work fine as they are light on fert, if any at all.
If you have to make the statement "it's taken me years to get this right," then obviously you didn't know what you were doing.
https://waytogrow.net/blogs/articles/what-is-super-soil-plus-a-professional-review

I have only done this myself for 4 years and I am pretty successful at it but I have a question for you.

How are you supposed to dial in soil for different strains and such if you cannot learn to read plants?

There is no shortcut but trial and error and reaction in growing plants. And no product makes it easier or better without the grower knowing how to use or supplement it.