Should I Chop?

[Budzbuddha]

I think that's why the buds are maturing a little earlier than normal. I checked a calyx on the top bud with tweezers. It was hollow with just a speck in the hollow part.

But if I let them go another week, that'd be 8 weeks which is about average anyway, right?

It varies with strain but 9 weeks is a " typical " window ... I had to cut at day 84 with some , 68 with something else .... And 13 weeks with a Sativa ( spear buds ).

If seeds are there , they will need about 6 weeks anyways. I would keep looking at calyx .
It will split when seed will be ripe . If you were pollinated by a full male , then you scored a cross.

 

[Andrewk420]

It varies with strain but 9 weeks is a " typical " window ... I had to cut at day 84 with some , 68 with something else .... And 13 weeks with a Sativa ( spear buds ).

If seeds are there , they will need about 6 weeks anyways. I would keep looking at calyx .
It will split when seed will be ripe . If you were pollinated by a full male , then you scored a cross.

It was a sister plant of the one in question that turned hermaphrodite and got super seeded from 3 little bananas on an inside lower bud.

This was it. The bananas were inside bottom part of the lowest bud set on the main stalk. The ones circled were fairly heavily seeded buds. Nothing above where the bananas showed was seeded after I harvested it.

So I'm not positive how the top of that bud on the plant this thread is about would be chalk full of seeds like it appears.

 

[Budzbuddha]

Pollen is hella fine powder , you can accidentally move / shake it from one plant to another , you can transfer it unknowingly by touch , clothing , etc.

Maybe that first plant " selfed " itself and pollinated where the nanners were.
Keep those seeds for testers.

Sounds more like a survival response from plant.

 

[Andrewk420]

Pollen is hella fine powder , you can accidentally move / shake it from one plant to another , you can transfer it unknowingly by touch , clothing , etc.

Maybe that first plant " selfed " itself and pollinated where the nanners were.
Keep those seeds for testers.

Sounds more like a survival response from plant.

It's also a small space with a lot of air moving, so pollen could have gotten caught in a draft or anything probably.

Sucks, but at least I'm still going to get buds.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

It's also a small space with a lot of air moving, so pollen could have gotten caught in a draft or anything probably.

Sucks, but at least I'm still going to get buds.

if those were fem plants, you have a better than average chance that those are fem seeds, grow em out and keep an eye out for more nanners.

 

[Xs121]

if those were fem plants, you have a better than average chance that those are fem seeds, grow em out and keep an eye out for more nanners.

Happened to me. I planted those seeds (all fem), tormented (beyond my control) the new flowering plants for over a week....not one plant hermied, that disprove the theory that seeds from hermie mother are gonna hermie too. Got a good harvest from those seeds.

 

[Andrewk420]

if those were fem plants, you have a better than average chance that those are fem seeds, grow em out and keep an eye out for more nanners.

I believe they came from a hermaphrodite plant. No way to know for sure as they were found. But probably a quarter of the buds in a half had a few seeds each.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

i started smoking weed in 78, i can live with a quarter of the buds in a bag having a few seed, we were lucky if it was half and half back then.

 

[RetiredGuerilla]

Happened to me. I planted those seeds (all fem), tormented (beyond my control) the new flowering plants for over a week....not one plant hermied, that disprove the theory that seeds from hermie mother are gonna hermie too. Got a good harvest from those seeds.

Some say that (not sure I agree) these self pollinated seeds produce "elites". I hope so because i just gave some 1988G13/Hashplant X Udub (Dank Zappa from Bodhi) to a local grower friend.

 

[Andrewk420]

i started smoking weed in 78, i can live with a quarter of the buds in a bag having a few seed, we were lucky if it was half and half back then.

I agree. I'm not an OG, so I can't confirm, but I agree.

The problem is (in the theory I concocted in my head) when the buds are meant to be sensimilla and they wind up with seeds, they are probably from a hermaphrodite. And I was going off the theory that hermaphrodites are mostly genetic. So that was my explanation for why it was a herm.

 

[Michael Huntherz]

if those were fem plants, you have a better than average chance that those are fem seeds, grow em out and keep an eye out for more nanners.

I had a Rare Dankness Scott’s OG fem herm on me, seeded all the plants in the tent a little bit. I have been sitting on those beans for a while, they were all fems. I should pop some. I keep thinking about it.

Scott’s OG x Strawberry Diesel sounds pretty good.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

I agree. I'm not an OG, so I can't confirm, but I agree.

The problem is (in the theory I concocted in my head) when the buds are meant to be sensimilla and they wind up with seeds, they are probably from a hermaphrodite. And I was going off the theory that hermaphrodites are mostly genetic. So that was my explanation for why it was a herm.

possibly, or the plant may have been stressed in a way you didn't even realize, sitting in a cold spot on the floor, maybe you kicked it while moving another plant, maybe the cat pee'd in that one. or maybe i'm full of shit...

 

[Tim1987]

By no means am I claiming to be a breeding god. But hermaphrodites, in my opinion, is a phenotype trait.
It's actually one of the expressive traits good breeders try to force, on a plant. They'll take clones from a promising looking female. If it yields well. Next stage is to stress it, to all buggery. Temps, humidity, photo period, way over ripening etc etc.
Some hermaphrodite plants don't express themselves, until under stress.
One thing that always confirms it for me too. Is I have NEVER had a male turn hermaphrodite on me.
Biologically it doesn't make sense for a hermaphrodite to show male flowers before, female flowers.
I wish male plants, sometimes could turn female too. But IMHO it's just not the case.
The seed is the seed. What it is, is what it is.

 

[Andrewk420]

possibly, or the plant may have been stressed in a way you didn't even realize, sitting in a cold spot on the floor, maybe you kicked it while moving another plant, maybe the cat pee'd in that one. or maybe i'm full of shit...

Haha I don't know either man. I thought a lot about it since I harvested the one hermaphrodite. They all had spots off the floor for their pot, not overly crowded, light cycle was good, I was fairly careful moving them and watering them, and the plants never demonstrated any other stress. In fact they all 3 looked admirably healthy throughout to my untrained eye.

That's why I've just been saying "it was genetics" to myself so much they are thinking about checking me in.

 

[Andrewk420]

By no means am I claiming to be a breeding god. But hermaphrodites, in my opinion, is a phenotype trait.
It's actually one of the expressive traits good breeders try to force, on a plant. They'll take clones from a promising looking female. If it yields well. Next stage is to stress it, to all buggery. Temps, humidity, photo period, way over ripening etc etc.
Some hermaphrodite plants don't express themselves, until under stress.
One thing that always confirms it for me too. Is I have NEVER had a male turn hermaphrodite on me.
Biologically it doesn't make sense for a hermaphrodite to show male flowers before, female flowers.
I wish male plants, sometimes could turn female too. But IMHO it's just not the case.
The seed is the seed. What it is, is what it is.

I'm pretty sure I got my "it's the genetics" mantra from you! Didn't you help me in the thread I made about the hermaphrodite plant?

 

[Tim1987]

I'm pretty sure I got my "it's the genetics" mantra from you! Didn't you help me in the thread I made about the hermaphrodite plant?

Hey.
Yeah that's right lol.
You did. I thought the profile pic was familiar.
It's of course only what I've found. But I've seeded a lot of plants. Grown a lot of males.
Imho. I just don't know how else I'd be choosing good genes. Besides yield and potency.
I'd probably choose no hermie traits over yield, and potency any day.
I think it's the most desirable quality in good seed, myself.

 

[Tim1987]

A lot of the time, hermaphrodites are due to heavy inbreeding. Just like animals.
Growers try to get their seeds to only show a couple phenotypes. Great for commercial crops.
Not good for breeding at all.
Breeding you want variety, and choice. You can't cross the same seed too many times. Or you start getting hermaphrodites.
Unfortunately, it's just how it is. Imho.

 

[Andrewk420]

A lot of the time, hermaphrodites are due to heavy inbreeding. Just like animals.
Growers try to get their seeds to only show a couple phenotypes. Great for commercial crops.
Not good for breeding at all.
Breeding you want variety, and choice. You can't cross the same seed too many times. Or you start getting hermaphrodites.
Unfortunately, it's just how it is. Imho.

Thanks again for the help. What you've said in this thread and that one makes the most sense to me just logically. Granted, I'm basically a caveman when it comes to horticulture.

 

[Tim1987]

Thanks again for the help. What you've said in this thread and that one makes the most sense to me just logically. Granted, I'm basically a caveman when it comes to horticulture.

Me too.
Plants too.
Millions of years. Unchanged

 

[Xs121]

Some say that (not sure I agree) these self pollinated seeds produce "elites". I hope so because i just gave some 1988G13/Hashplant X Udub (Dank Zappa from Bodhi) to a local grower friend.

Elites in terms of hybrid vigor...vigorous growth and above normal yield... when 2 unrelated healthy parents are crossed you created an F1 which comes with heterosis or commonly known as hybrid vigor. The problem with F1 is that it's not a stable phenotype. So, when you breed that pheno with another strain or even among brother x sister...the resulting phenotypes would be all over the place.

If this F1 turns out to be the bomb then keep crossing 1988G13/Hashplant X Udub (Dank Zappa from Bodhi)...(if you still have the parents)....then use the F1 as your production plants. The trick is to keep the parents going if you like their F1 otherwise you might have to stabilize that F1 (which requires some serious breeding program).