Deficiency in plant *Bloom*

[polishpollack]

MMG, that's not what I said. I said using a super soil style of feeding causes no need to read plants. It's only those that insist on doing things their way, which is usually the wrong way, that come to this forum with their problems. I never seen people come here with "Hey, I'm having great success and here's how I do it." You never see those words here because people who get it right don't have to come here.
Huntherz, you might want to do others a favor and stop posting here. I've read some of your stuff and you're way off base. You must be getting your info from these forums, which are full of bad info. At least people aren't so focused on pH anymore like they used to.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

MMG, that's not what I said. I said using a super soil style of feeding causes no need to read plants. It's only those that insist on doing things their way, which is usually the wrong way, that come to this forum with their problems. I never seen people come here with "Hey, I'm having great success and here's how I do it." You never see those words here because people who get it right don't have to come here.
Huntherz, you might want to do others a favor and stop posting here. I've read some of your stuff and you're way off base. You must be getting your info from these forums, which are full of bad info. At least people aren't so focused on pH anymore like they used to.

You missed the point not me. If I used that supersoil with my favorite g-13/ ECSD/Lemon Thai hybrid it would not likely work well and take a few runs to tweak it. Where I can just taper fertilizer to the plants needs even if I haven’t grown the strain before in less amended potting soil or just pro mix or something.

Experience and better control of light, feed and environment is how you get to higher plant potential.

I bet the Growers you are criticizing’s weed would blow you away. That’s why they are still around.

 

[polishpollack]

Then why do those growers keep coming here with so many problems?

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

Then why do those growers keep coming here with so many problems?

The Growers I am speaking of have a bit more advanced conversations. But if you haven’t had problems. You don’t grow on their scale maybe?

If you think a commercial supersoil is a better option you have a lot to learn. Even if you have been lucky so far.

I like a hybrid system. Organic style potting soil and a good hydro or even hydro organic base nute when the soil depletes.

I plant a new seed of a different strain or cross every week or two and harvest the same perpetually. I get new variety constantly for our patients and us. I have never had a pest outbreak past springtails and I have not missed a donation in 4 years.

What do you do?

 

[polishpollack]

"The Growers I am speaking of have a bit more advanced conversations."

That's not accurate. In your above post, your write that the growers I criticize would blow me away. I asked you, that since the people I speak to here obviously have growing issues, why do they have problems? They discuss having their share of problems. What happens here is what I will call "confused conversations." A grower can't manipulate the grow and expect good results. It doesn't work that way. All that's necessary is to create an environment that mimics nature. Pumping chemicals into the potting soil for a better grow doesn't work. That's what I'm saying to all of you. It would be nice if people would come here and say "I have a great grow and here's how I do it." No one ever comes here and does that. The super soil method reduces the risk of problems. That's the point I'm trying to make here.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

"The Growers I am speaking of have a bit more advanced conversations."

That's not accurate. In your above post, your write that the growers I criticize would blow me away. I asked you, that since the people I speak to here obviously have growing issues, why do they have problems? They discuss having their share of problems. What happens here is what I will call "confused conversations." A grower can't manipulate the grow and expect good results. It doesn't work that way. All that's necessary is to create an environment that mimics nature. Pumping chemicals into the potting soil for a better grow doesn't work. That's what I'm saying to all of you. It would be nice if people would come here and say "I have a great grow and here's how I do it." No one ever comes here and does that. The super soil method reduces the risk of problems. That's the point I'm trying to make here.

I guess I don’t know which Growers you are criticizing but I don’t see any healthy plants in your post to show how it’s done.

I post regularly. I have nothing to prove but if supersoil from a bag worked well enough for an advanced grower it would be way more popular.

for best results you must custom mix from trial and error or use at least base nutes to supplement.

Get some light intensity and fast growing elite plants and start criticizing reading plants. If you don’t learn then you aren’t really gardening.

 

[Michael Huntherz]

"The Growers I am speaking of have a bit more advanced conversations."

That's not accurate. In your above post, your write that the growers I criticize would blow me away. I asked you, that since the people I speak to here obviously have growing issues, why do they have problems? They discuss having their share of problems. What happens here is what I will call "confused conversations." A grower can't manipulate the grow and expect good results. It doesn't work that way. All that's necessary is to create an environment that mimics nature. Pumping chemicals into the potting soil for a better grow doesn't work. That's what I'm saying to all of you. It would be nice if people would come here and say "I have a great grow and here's how I do it." No one ever comes here and does that. The super soil method reduces the risk of problems. That's the point I'm trying to make here.

That’s vacuous, pseudoscientific and not a rational argument of any kind. You are making empty assertions in spite of the facts. Plants have problems sometimes in nature, too. Nature is not optimal, it is messy and chaotic and too hot and too cold and windy and there are floods and pests and landslides. Sometimes plants have problems of their own, sometimes it is a virus, and no fucking supersoil is going to save you from it. Please stop with this inane organic worship garbage and use your brain for a minute. Organic agriculture is not a religion, dingaling.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

That’s vacuous, pseudoscientific and not a rational argument of any kind. You are making empty assertions in spite of the facts. Plants have problems sometimes in nature, too. Nature is not optimal, it is messy and chaotic and too hot and too cold and windy and there are floods and pests and landslides. Sometimes plants have problems of their own, sometimes it is a virus, and no fucking supersoil is going to save you from it. Please stop with this inane organic worship garbage and use your brain for a minute. Organic agriculture is not a religion, dingaling.

Have you noticed the glutton of religious level even angry organic vs poison hydro threads with only complaints and no plants shown?

Thc farmer keeps getting them too.

I had a nice compliment from a pair of lifetime outdoor organic growers today. They said my flowers were the best tasting outdoor organic weed they ever smoked.

It’s indoor hybrid bottle fed under hps.

 

[Michael Huntherz]

I guess I don’t know which Growers you are criticizing but I don’t see any healthy plants in your post to show how it’s done.

I post regularly. I have nothing to prove but if supersoil from a bag worked well enough for an advanced grower it would be way more popular.

for best results you must custom mix from trial and error or use at least base nutes to supplement.

Get some light intensity and fast growing elite plants and start criticizing reading plants. If you don’t learn then you aren’t really gardening.

Goddamnit, it is like talking to a fuckin wall...#smh

 

[Michael Huntherz]

Have you noticed the glutton of religious level even angry organic vs poison hydro threads with only complaints and no plants shown?

Thc farmer keeps getting them too.

I had a nice compliment from a pair of lifetime outdoor organic growers today. They said my flowers were the best tasting outdoor organic weed they ever smoked.

It’s indoor hybrid bottle fed under hps.

I have told people hydro was organic and vice versa. There is no fundamental difference. Everybody believed whatever the fuck I told them, and then explained to me how they could tell the difference. And every single one of them was wrong. 100%

I don’t do that anymore, it was an experiment.

I understand how roots uptake nutrients well enough to know it doesn’t matter. The benefits of organic farming are most meaningful for large scale outdoor agriculture. On a small scale, like what almost everyone here does, it’s essentially meaningless. I’m running some soil right now but I don’t think it’s some kind of panacea. Pseudoscience is dangerous.

 

[polishpollack]

Huntherz, weren't you the one that offered nothing but differential explanations why something was wrong, and you also said that you were scratching your head over the problem?
What I've tried to say to people is this: pumping a bunch of fert into a soil grow, especially is you're using soil that already has fert in it, will poison the plants to death. It's not pseudoscience. It's cause and effect. However, if people use a soil that has everything already and has had time to break those materials down the grower stands a better chance of success in a soil grow. To generalize with terms like virus and other things is just silly. You're reaching for argument that doesn't work. Let's focus on the problems people have when they come here.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

What is with trying to skip steps?

No method including “supersoil” or even live organics will be automatically successful. Tons of other variables than nutrients all need to be kept in check as well or the plant won’t uptake whatever style of fertilization chosen. Not including handling unknown variables that come up.

Why would I fertilize a happy plant in amended soil until she needs it? As said above. I guess because I didn’t learn not to.

Gardeners are successful because they learn and develop instincts to care for and react properly to what plants need.

A great one can grow fine with any method and any strain.

That’s my goal anyway. I want to learn. Not take shortcuts. They always bite you in the ass.

I will get there one day. This is 6 remaining different strains/crosses from seed sprouted and flowered in the flower room under 12/12 lighting. I wanted to know how they would turn out and see if I could meet the challenge of having no buffer to repair things in veg before flowering.

Thai/ diesel crosses, OG Kush x Trainwreck and a couple of Jack Herrer, power plant , hash plant, Afghan Hybrids.

Grown in ocean forest and fertilized with Pure Blend Pro Grow only. Easiest and most effective way I found. Which is good because every plant needs different concentration of nutes with all different start times.

These plants all needed different watering cycles and different amounts of fertilizer to thrive. A single soil mix would have under or overfed some for sure.

 

[polishpollack]

"Why would I fertilize a happy plant in amended soil until she needs it? As said above. I guess because I didn’t learn not to."

That is the most intelligent and honest thing I've read in these forums.

I know people who grow in nothing but a super soil mix. They have done so for years with a variety of strains. This method yields the most consistent grow quality and removes all the guessing and... how did you put it? The need to "react properly to what plants need." This has been my point all along, but some want to control things with the idea they are learning. My suggestion is to use super soil mix based on the fact that doing so will remove the learning curve and give growers the best results without having to learn to modify the grow. But then people won't come here as often, and what fun will that be? FFOF is a good soil but too hot for small plants. You're supposed to use Light Warrior at first and for a while, then transplant when the plant is bigger, maybe 12-15 inches tall perhaps. FFOF isn't a super soil mix but it is similar. Adding more to it is probably asking for trouble. If it looks like the plant needs more nutrients, you just transplant to a bigger pot.
In the end, it interesting to see that most people that come here do so because they have problems after dumping in a ton of fert. It's because they didn't learn not to.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

"Why would I fertilize a happy plant in amended soil until she needs it? As said above. I guess because I didn’t learn not to."

That is the most intelligent and honest thing I've read in these forums.

I know people who grow in nothing but a super soil mix. They have done so for years with a variety of strains. This method yields the most consistent grow quality and removes all the guessing and... how did you put it? The need to "react properly to what plants need." This has been my point all along, but some want to control things with the idea they are learning. My suggestion is to use super soil mix based on the fact that doing so will remove the learning curve and give growers the best results without having to learn to modify the grow. But then people won't come here as often, and what fun will that be? FFOF is a good soil but too hot for small plants. You're supposed to use Light Warrior at first and for a while, then transplant when the plant is bigger, maybe 12-15 inches tall perhaps. FFOF isn't a super soil mix but it is similar. Adding more to it is probably asking for trouble. If it looks like the plant needs more nutrients, you just transplant to a bigger pot.
In the end, it interesting to see that most people that come here do so because they have problems after dumping in a ton of fert. It's because they didn't learn not to.

I appreciate you are trying to learn here.

But you missed the most important part of what I am saying. Organic growers that are successful dial in their mix to the strain. You would not have the garden I just showed with that variety without using a lighter mix and adding as needed. You would burn some and underfeed others. I have a plant count to maintain and I want the best variety and potency as well as complexity and the only way is to get the plants to their potential.

That is not going to happen reliably with one bagged soil mix. Too much compromise.

As far as your misinformation about ocean forest. It says to start seedlings right on the bag.

It gets clumpy in storage so it needs thorough re mixing and for our plant about 25% large perlite added to the mix helps with soil aeration and drainage and staves off compaction at the root ball later.

If watered to good runoff and mixed properly it is fantastic for seedlings and veg. I like to transplant up every few weeks to give plants fresh soil and nutrients while still only using unadjusted well water. The soil buffers perfectly. And it has been very consistent where I buy it. They store it inside and get fresh pallets often. Look for a fluffy dry bag. It also should be pretty new as it is recommended to be used by 6 months after bagging.

No burned young plants here. The biggest is about 14” tall.




Doesn’t look too hot to me.


All kinds of methods work but if you are afraid to fertilize or are stuck on silly forum myth there is a lot to learn about growing before you can have great pot.

This hybrid is a very light feeder. Surprising how big and fast she grows. She would burn to a crisp in a standard supersoil mix.

Fertilized properly. And I stil singed her tips at an average 15% concentration of nutes. And we got some top shelf killer smoke.

 

[polishpollack]

I never said I was afraid to fertilize. If you cut FFOF with 25% perlite you're diluting it, just like Light Warrior is diluted with a bunch of perlite. No fertilizer on perlite by itself, right?
I never come here to learn anything. I never said you can't start seedlings in FFOF. I said this shouldn't be done as the soil is a little too hot and this is why the company makes the Light Warrior soil, which does state it's designed for seedlings. If you click on this and scroll down to Light Warrior, you'll see what I mean.
https://foxfarmfertilizer.com/category/soil-and-soil-conditioners.html

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

You have a long difficult learning curve ahead of you @polishpollack.

I’m out. You don’t look, read or listen. And you have nothing to show and I am arguing with a noob for no reason.

Good luck hoping there is no actual work involved.

 

[Kushash]

@polishpollack , I'll respond to this "Hey, I'm having great success and here's how I do it."

OK, I'm growing in the party cup challenge, doing it organic. Don't know if I'd call it great success but I'd call it, so far so good.

3 1/2 weeks into flowering, I made a soil mix I thought was good for a seedling and would allow me to build on it.
Just me, whether it is in a party cup or a 5 gallon pot, I prefer a healthy soil which means a healthy colony that is kept properly fed throughout the grow. Super soil to me is an attempt to have tons of food for the microbes that will last them 3 months. I prefer keeping them healthy through regular dry amendment feedings.
I see them like an Army that need to remain a mean lean fighting machine.

The comp in progress is in party cups, next one might be in one gallon containers to help newbies like MichiganMedGrower and Michael Huntherz that are considering playing. Maybe you will join us polishpollack. We are looking for a large field of players. I'd love to school all of you in the art of organic gardening, real time with pictures and maybe a bit of Bullshit too.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

@polishpollack , I'll respond to this "Hey, I'm having great success and here's how I do it."

OK, I'm growing in the party cup challenge, doing it organic. Don't know if I'd call it great success but I'd call it, so far so good.

3 1/2 weeks into flowering, I made a soil mix I thought was good for a seedling and would allow me to build on it.
Just me, whether it is in a party cup or a 5 gallon pot, I prefer a healthy soil which means a healthy colony that is kept properly fed throughout the grow. Super soil to me is an attempt to have tons of food for the microbes that will last them 3 months. I prefer keeping them healthy through regular dry amendment feedings.
I see them like an Army that need to remain a mean lean fighting machine.

The comp in progress is in party cups, next one might be in one gallon containers to help newbies like MichiganMedGrower and Michael Huntherz that are considering playing. Maybe you will join us polishpollack. We are looking for a large field of players. I'd love to school all of you in the art of organic gardening, real time with pictures and maybe a bit of Bullshit too.

You’re calling me a newbie? And saying I need help?

But you are also agreeing with me and custom feeding your plants as you go?

 

[Kushash]

You’re calling me a newbie? And saying I need help?

But you are also agreeing with me and custom feeding your plants as you go?

LOL! Ease up cowboy!
Guess before I school you in the contest I need to school you on what trash talking is.
I know who you are. I know your skill level and look forward to playing against you.

 

[GreenHighlander]

LOL! Ease up cowboy!
Guess before I school you in the contest I need to school you on what trash talking is.
I know who you are. I know your skill level and look forward to playing against you.

The trash talking is hands down my favourite part of that thread. Straight savage lol
Cheers