Greenpoint seeds!!

Heisengrow

Heisengrow

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AmericanGrower508 said:
The problem is that most don't understand fem seeds.
It's not the chromosomes that produce the Strong male tendency females (which is what they are) if no male was used.
It's because the female donor has to be 100% tested to never ever produce any hermi traits. The hermi traits are caused by hormones. Most notably it's the Ethylene hormone, If donor plant has high level she will pass it on to offspring making some or even all of them male looking females.
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Its an S1 man,There is no donor plant.Its a clone that was reversed and used to pollinate itself.The STS blocks ethylene this is what forces the female to flower male parts.
 
Heisengrow

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blowincherrypie said:
i agree but if you "self" a "female" and 3/3 produces straight up cock.. like stands up to piss, dont trust around your daughter, dick.. gotta question policy and procedures. Unstable genetics leading to a herm.. well that's the cost of admission, gotta roll with the punches.. I dont think 3/3 S1s that throw more balls than the bowling alley can be genetic except to say genetic from cross contamination. Nuts have to be involved to create the male.. not just bananas in the later weeks. A male that herms into female shouldn't be used for breeding imo.




The real question is.. what the hell is everything?? He had a book-full of the most sought after genetics and when an "S1" produces males you gotta ask if anything is what it is labeled/sold as.
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Probably had some males around that were throwing pollen on them.A true female is XX so all of her seeds after being forced to turn male will be XX.all feminized seeds from a true self pollination.Only males will come out if Y was introduced giving half of them XX and other half XY.It would be a serious fuck up to get 3 XY's from a forced reverse.
 
Heisengrow

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nc208 said:
How viable would these males be? If I don't get a chick out of the wedding cake it will suck but will the males be good for pollen chucking?
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They cant be males if it was a reverse pollination,The plants will not have the Y chrom unless the breeder fucked up and let male herpes invade his target plants.They will be hermies and mutants but to get 3 male plants from a pack of fems is a major fuck up.I would give the plants a week to come around.I have seen fems throw weird looking balls in the beginning than they start throwing hairs and everything is good.
 
blowincherrypie

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Heisengrow said:
Probably had some males around that were throwing pollen on them.A true female is XX so all of her seeds after being forced to turn male will be XX.all feminized seeds from a true self pollination.Only males will come out if Y was introduced giving half of them XX and other half XY.It would be a serious fuck up to get 3 XY's from a forced reverse.
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idk if 3/3 XY from a true S1 is even possible.. 3/10000...100000?? maybe with some super wonkie genetics but 3/3 makes me think there's no way its S1 so you gotta question what the genetics really are.


Heisengrow said:
They cant be males if it was a reverse pollination,The plants will not have the Y chrom unless the breeder fucked up and let male herpes invade his target plants.They will be hermies and mutants but to get 3 male plants from a pack of fems is a major fuck up.I would give the plants a week to come around.I have seen fems throw weird looking balls in the beginning than they start throwing hairs and everything is good.
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that would be the only possibility.. but imo should be removed from any serious breeding program immediately.
 
Heisengrow

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blowincherrypie said:
idk if 3/3 XY from a true S1 is even possible.. 3/10000...100000?? maybe with some super wonkie genetics but 3/3 makes me think there's no way its S1 so you gotta question what the genetics really are.




that would be the only possibility.. but imo should be removed from any serious breeding program immediately.
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Yes if 3 seed plants from a pack of fems turns out to be straight up male and no hairs whatsoever than i suppose Gu will be getting back on a plane to go woop someones ass.I know TF i would be,.If tht dude had some male plants in flower in the same room as his feminized projects he needs his ass wooped anyway
 
Heisengrow

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the gnome said:
ive ran the Phillips CDM-CMH 860s and hands down they were some of the best looking plants Ive had to date, CMHs are bomb, and it's no wonder they're running @4,000K either.
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I still like the CMh and im not discrediting them,I was just posting a pic of the side by side of the plants in the same system.I thought it was interesting.I can move the plants in closer and shrink there scrog but they wouldnt yield more than the cobs in a filled out 4x5.I think watt for watt the cobs have the edge and thats just my opinion.Im in the grams per watt game as others are in it for a different reason.Im going to order the 945 CMH with the square wave ballast and put it againt the cobs on the next run.
Ive seen the 860's but didnt know if they was square wave or not thats why i only got the 315s.The bulbs are pretty new.Ive ran them on 2 runs so far not counting this one.
 
Chunky Stool

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Heisengrow said:
I still like the CMh and im not discrediting them,I was just posting a pic of the side by side of the plants in the same system.I thought it was interesting.I can move the plants in closer and shrink there scrog but they wouldnt yield more than the cobs in a filled out 4x5.I think watt for watt the cobs have the edge and thats just my opinion.Im in the grams per watt game as others are in it for a different reason.Im going to order the 945 CMH with the square wave ballast and put it againt the cobs on the next run.
Ive seen the 860's but didnt know if they was square wave or not thats why i only got the 315s.The bulbs are pretty new.Ive ran them on 2 runs so far not counting this one.
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How much did it cost to build that COB rig?
Looks pretty sweet. 8)
I really don't want to buy more HPS bulbs, and I'm due for a new set. :?
 
the gnome

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Heisengrow said:
I still like the CMh and im not discrediting them,I was just posting a pic of the side by side of the plants in the same system.I thought it was interesting.I can move the plants in closer and shrink there scrog but they wouldnt yield more than the cobs in a filled out 4x5.I think watt for watt the cobs have the edge and thats just my opinion.Im in the grams per watt game as others are in it for a different reason.Im going to order the 945 CMH with the square wave ballast and put it againt the cobs on the next run.
Ive seen the 860's but didnt know if they was square wave or not thats why i only got the 315s.The bulbs are pretty new.Ive ran them on 2 runs so far not counting this one.
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I like your COBs, they give excellent very even dispersion with the multi-lite points,
Ive run a $20 GE 1000w MH against a 1kw HPS horti-eye and the $20 GE did what the $100 eye did
so ran those for quite a while. strains has a finger in the pie also.
I'm convinced the Kelvin figure has a lot to do with it and 4000K is the all around sweet spot imo.
like i said it's no coincidence the CMHs are 4000K.
my cdm-cmh 860s were the best Ive seen for healthy plants
but running a 6000w bloom room I was was coming up short to the tune of almost 1000w using the 860s.
I'm now using E-series gavs now for the powerful penetration, they are rocking for sure.
It's good thing experimenting, without it where would we be.
it's exactly how I ran across the $20 GEs trying to give a more balanced spectrum with the HPS
using 2 bulbs side by side I noticed the $20 Mh out performed in the yield dept on a certain strain.
I really upset a lot of apple carts @IC Mag with my results.

anyways It's all about the pro-n-cons of a system and they all seem to have em.
 
Heisengrow

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Chunky Stool said:
How much did it cost to build that COB rig?
Looks pretty sweet. 8)
I really don't want to buy more HPS bulbs, and I'm due for a new set. :?
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1100 for the drivers and everything,I built them myself.I went with the 15 cob setup,more expensive but more efficient because i can run them all at lower wattages to get around 50watts per square foot in a 4x5 which is on point for COBS.
If i turn the cobs off and take a pic they look as good as the CMH,There 3100 K full spectrum is why the color on the leaves looks golden yellowish.
I cant wait to get the 945 CMH square wave and run them over a 4x5 next to the COBS the same way to see how they measure up
 
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