SIP thread -- (Sub-Irrigated Planter)

meangreengrowinmachine

meangreengrowinmachine

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Humanrob said:
My guess would be phenos, but that's only a guess.

What are you spraying them with?
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Just water and i will quit soon. It gets really dry in my room (which will be great later) even with humidifier on it usually sits at 30%, I think its due my fan 400 CFM fan constantly running to keep the hps cool and negative pressure for the smell, it sucks out ALL the humidity even as its made so in the morning ill give them a lite spray of just plain well water. Once the buds get bigger I will for sure stop spraying them. Might still spray the under side as that is where water is absorbed through the leaves.
 
Humanrob

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meangreengrowinmachine said:
Just water and i will quit soon. It gets really dry in my room (which will be great later) even with humidifier on it usually sits at 30%, I think its due my fan 400 CFM fan constantly running to keep the hps cool and negative pressure for the smell, it sucks out ALL the humidity even as its made so in the morning ill give them a lite spray of just plain well water. Once the buds get bigger I will for sure stop spraying them. Might still spray the under side as that is where water is absorbed through the leaves.
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That makes sense, I was wondering if you were foliar feeding, some people seem to really like feeding that way.

I'm in Oregon, sometimes have too little humidity, mostly have too much. During parts of this winter I had an AC running during the day and a dehumidifier running at night, and I'm using all COB lights. Lights make heat, dehumidifier makes heat, and after all that energy has been burned the AC uses more to cool it down. Indoor growing here is not a small footprint. But Friday I'll shut the lights off on my last remaining plant in this grow, and Sunday morning I'll chop her down and hang her to dry... in a room with a dehumidifier going 24/7... and then I'll be done with indoor until next winter.
 
meangreengrowinmachine

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Humanrob said:
That makes sense, I was wondering if you were foliar feeding, some people seem to really like feeding that way.

I'm in Oregon, sometimes have too little humidity, mostly have too much. During parts of this winter I had an AC running during the day and a dehumidifier running at night, and I'm using all COB lights. Lights make heat, dehumidifier makes heat, and after all that energy has been burned the AC uses more to cool it down. Indoor growing here is not a small footprint. But Friday I'll shut the lights off on my last remaining plant in this grow, and Sunday morning I'll chop her down and hang her to dry... in a room with a dehumidifier going 24/7... and then I'll be done with indoor until next winter.
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Yeah I am in a cool basement in winter I actually need to heat, and right now I have a temp controller to make sure it stays at least 65 during lights out. I will need the demuhidifier running in the summer time as the condensation in down there gets pretty bad.
 
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PDX Joe said:
Thanks! Yeah, I love when they start to bulge. Wow, these ones are stinky. I really bombarded the hell of of them with the microbes this time and I'd say it has worked out. They've stayed very healthy looking.
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yeah man those are some freaking donkey dicks if I have ever seen them! I can only hope to do as well! *Goes to brew a compost tea* :peace:
 
Humanrob

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There are so many things I will either do differently or simply never do again, but this grow was fun and a good learning experience. Here's some shots of what it looked like after I cut the base free and then extracted the plant and scrog as one unit and hung them from the ceiling. I've never done that before (it's currently cut down to branches and hanging to dry). The other pics show how the majority of the roots grew around the air stone. When I lifted the lid and pot off, it immediately separated from the wick leaving the wick sitting in the res.

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CaptainSnap

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Hey all fellow SIP green thumbs! Hope everyone is enjoying the nice weather....just wanted to post an update on the 2 20 gallon SIPS. They were certainly slowed down either from lock out or russets....not exactly sure but I've been feeding straight water and the predatory mites arrived last week.

1 week away from the chop on these

Grape Fat Cheese (right) and IDK Farms (left) in 20 gallon DIY SIPS

Grape Fat Cheese in 7 Gallon Fabric DIY SIPS

Happy Gardening Everyone:weed::weed:
 
meangreengrowinmachine

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Today is day 37 since 12/12 and day 27 since I saw flowers starting to form. Things are getting very frosty! Here is a pic of the whole crew and then one of a close up of the Purple tip pheno I am seeing. Trying out some close up shots with my digital camera as opposed to just phone pics. I do not think I will get anywhere near a gram per watt... that would be 850... but hopefully .5 isn't out of range? What do you all think? Hope everyones ladies are swelling!
 

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meangreengrowinmachine said:
Today is day 37 since 12/12 and day 27 since I saw flowers starting to form. Things are getting very frosty! Here is a pic of the whole crew and then one of a close up of the Purple tip pheno I am seeing. Trying out some close up shots with my digital camera as opposed to just phone pics. I do not think I will get anywhere near a gram per watt... that would be 850... but hopefully .5 isn't out of range? What do you all think? Hope everyones ladies are swelling!
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Looking good! When I first started growing with Cobs I was focused on grams/watt, but for me it's fallen down the priority list to the level of a curiosity. That's mostly because I've found that it has more to do with genetics than the lights, some plants just produce way more bud per cubic foot than others under the same lights. (edit) I guess it's useful if you only grow one strain, and you are switching from HPS to LED, then it would give you a point of comparison for efficiency.

And secondly, from what I've done and read it seems that you need to run your lights soft, low, and spread out over the canopy to get really good g/w numbers. There are always exceptions, but it seems that most of the time that's the setup. So in my 2x4 I'll get more g/w if I run the lights at say 250 watts, BUT, I'll get more grams overall if I run them at 350. I've been leaning towards overall harvest weight as my priority.
 
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yeah from the things I have seen where people are getting 1.8 gpw (and yes I believe that number 100%) there was a LOT of hardware involved running soft. And yeah obviously looking for more grams really vs grams per watt. Hoping I will get some decent numbers, but I have little ones getting ready now to hopefully go right in to the flower room after these are done in about a month. I am already a leg up on my other grows just due to finally getting nice environmental controls. Next I hope to get another LED bar exactly like this one and maybe still try to keep the HPS as well.
 
Norby Grown

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Couple updated pics. The middle pics are from the mother I put in 2 weeks ahead of the rest. Frosty but the tops are pretty small and she looks close to done at 6 weeks. Not really looking near as good as the 5 gal bucket grows I've done. Frosty adn sweet smell but the tops are no where near the size I get in buckets. They are however, rock hard and I hope the yields is close to as good.
8 of the plants are 4 weeks out yet and they look like they'll have larger buds. The soil is strait FFOF and Just right mixed 50/50 on the 8 and nutes were only put in the res. The mother had amended soil that was a bit acidic, which could account for her smaller buds but she got fed thru the res too. Hopefully the 8 that are 4 weeks out will fair better, fingers crossed. I really like the freedom of using the drippers and not worrying about over watering.
 

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Dr.J20

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Can anyone point me to any posts where builds are being detailed? Esp. pinner420, i'd love to see your build but can't find it in the thread. if anyone could help me out i'd be grateful.

I started off doing SIPs and hempy buckets--there was a killer thread by japanfreak years ago i think with a diy earthbox and like 6 plants--and have since moved to sticking airpots right in a big catch tray and keeping that thing filled up. It seems like with the reservoirs and such folks are achieving some exciting and healthy looking grows now!

My main question concerns the wicking system here. I'm sure its explained somewhere early in the thread, but things have since evolved it looks like (check out global buckets and compare with the design hyroot used to run, at least at the beginning of this thread).

Here's the question: what does separating the water from the soil and then re-uniting via wick provide?

It seemed a couple pages back there was some concern about keeping nutrients out of the reservoir and it also seems like folks are having to use hygrozyme and whatnot to treat the reservoir.

I like the design because its super low maintenance especially with organic soil. But, I just sit my air pots in big 15cm/6in tall rubbermade 'catch trays" with airstones in them. I charge up the soil with a heavy watering, and then set the pots in the catch trays keeping the trays full of water, and the air stones bubbling.

What's the big difference between this and the SIP rigs yall are using? If you want to let me know where this is covered in the thread, i'd be obliged!
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be easy,

EDIT: Also, DANKSWAG used to have what he called a passive hydro organic setup PHOGS, with the last comment on that somewhere around 2013--anyone know about anything like this? I think he used gro-stones or some other synthetic wicking material to sit his fabric pots filled with organic soil on top, using the wicking principles a little differently still...anyone know about this style?
 
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pinner420

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Dr.J20 said:
Can anyone point me to any posts where builds are being detailed? Esp. pinner420, i'd love to see your build but can't find it in the thread. if anyone could help me out i'd be grateful.

I started off doing SIPs and hempy buckets--there was a killer thread by japanfreak years ago i think with a diy earthbox and like 6 plants--and have since moved to sticking airpots right in a big catch tray and keeping that thing filled up. It seems like with the reservoirs and such folks are achieving some exciting and healthy looking grows now!

My main question concerns the wicking system here. I'm sure its explained somewhere early in the thread, but things have since evolved it looks like (check out global buckets and compare with the design hyroot used to run, at least at the beginning of this thread).

Here's the question: what does separating the water from the soil and then re-uniting via wick provide?

It seemed a couple pages back there was some concern about keeping nutrients out of the reservoir and it also seems like folks are having to use hygrozyme and whatnot to treat the reservoir.

I like the design because its super low maintenance especially with organic soil. But, I just sit my air pots in big 15cm/6in tall rubbermade 'catch trays" with airstones in them. I charge up the soil with a heavy watering, and then set the pots in the catch trays keeping the trays full of water, and the air stones bubbling.

What's the big difference between this and the SIP rigs yall are using? If you want to let me know where this is covered in the thread, i'd be obliged!
:peace:
be easy,

EDIT: Also, DANKSWAG used to have what he called a passive hydro organic setup PHOGS, with the last comment on that somewhere around 2013--anyone know about anything like this? I think he used gro-stones or some other synthetic wicking material to sit his fabric pots filled with organic soil on top, using the wicking principles a little differently still...anyone know about this style?
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Hey bro ill show ya my new methodology in a new thread that will set the pace. This shit is off the hook. Ill start a new thread and link ya.. meditations complete!
 
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