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travisw

travisw

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trippnface said:
Obama was too busy making sure Police were training to be top terrorists.

https://theintercept.com/2017/09/15/police-israel-cops-training-adl-human-rights-abuses-dc-washington/
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Obama? Maybe you aren't old enough to remember.



In 2003, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security established a special Office of International Affairs to institutionalize the relationship between Israeli and American security officials. “I think we can learn a lot from other countries, particularly Israel, which unfortunately has a long history of preparing for and responding to terrorist attacks,” said Senator Susan Collins (R-ME) about the special office.

From your article:
While attention on the militarization of American police forces has intensified in recent years, spurring some reforms that the Trump administration has already undone, U.S.-Israel police exchange programs have carried on without much public scrutiny.

The trainings in Israel also fit within a broader militarization of U.S. law enforcement that is well underway back home. Last month, President Donald Trump issued an executive order rescinding limitations imposed by former President Barack Obama on a military program, known as 1033, that allowed police departments to make discounted purchases of excess military equipment, like armored vehicles and grenade launchers.
 
Moses Mobetta

Moses Mobetta

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trippnface said:
https://www.jpost.com/Magazine/Black-Lives-Matter-vs-Israel-468994

But when will you address this blinding issue?

'BLM claims that the joint work between the two police forces negatively affects the African-American community.

The organization claims that American police officers are learning from the Israelis how to kill black Americans.

BLM calls on the public to sign a petition calling for Israel to stop training American police officers. “When our forces are trained by brutal people, they then act brutally when really they’re dealing with law-abiding citizens,” the petition reads.

The drafters of the petition came up with fewer than 100,000 signatures, but Israeli-US police cooperation has become an issue on the US government’s agenda. Marc Lamont Hill, a CNN political commentator, has compared the US police policies with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. BLM demanded that Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed terminate the city’s relationship with Israel Police. "
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Do you think that may be because the Israeli police were trained by the Nazis?
 
trippnface

trippnface

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travisw said:


Obama? Maybe you aren't old enough to remember.



In 2003, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security established a special Office of International Affairs to institutionalize the relationship between Israeli and American security officials. “I think we can learn a lot from other countries, particularly Israel, which unfortunately has a long history of preparing for and responding to terrorist attacks,” said Senator Susan Collins (R-ME) about the special office.

From your article:
While attention on the militarization of American police forces has intensified in recent years, spurring some reforms that the Trump administration has already undone, U.S.-Israel police exchange programs have carried on without much public scrutiny.

The trainings in Israel also fit within a broader militarization of U.S. law enforcement that is well underway back home. Last month, President Donald Trump issued an executive order rescinding limitations imposed by former President Barack Obama on a military program, known as 1033, that allowed police departments to make discounted purchases of excess military equipment, like armored vehicles and grenade launchers.
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Eh, I was young, but recall well enough.

Both are top terrorists. Obama simply knows how to speak like an intelligent adult.

Let us never forget the stupidity of George w bush

Everyone, get stoned and watch this shit. Fucking incredible

 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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trippnface said:
https://www.jpost.com/Magazine/Black-Lives-Matter-vs-Israel-468994

But when will you address this blinding issue?

'BLM claims that the joint work between the two police forces negatively affects the African-American community.

The organization claims that American police officers are learning from the Israelis how to kill black Americans.

BLM calls on the public to sign a petition calling for Israel to stop training American police officers. “When our forces are trained by brutal people, they then act brutally when really they’re dealing with law-abiding citizens,” the petition reads.

The drafters of the petition came up with fewer than 100,000 signatures, but Israeli-US police cooperation has become an issue on the US government’s agenda. Marc Lamont Hill, a CNN political commentator, has compared the US police policies with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. BLM demanded that Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed terminate the city’s relationship with Israel Police. "
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obama commissioned the DOJ to study and address this issue

we should drive the palestinians into the sea. no more west bank for them
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Moses Mobetta said:
I can't believe the stupidity of that idiot or that he ever became president of anything
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He was elected by people who don't value intelligence
trippnface said:
1967 Borders sounds fair enough.
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The West Bank is a landlocked area and would make Palestinians economically dependent on either Jordan or Israel to conduct commerce. Simply agreeing to a cease fire and the 1967 borders would lock Palestinians into a perpetual state of poverty and dependence on Israel. It's also not a defend-able border for Israel. Without peace agreements with Iran and Saudi Arabia, who in fact provide arms and/or money to Palestinians, peace wouldn't last long.



I'm not opposing it. Just saying this isn't a feasible peace solution.
 
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trippnface

trippnface

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Fogdog said:
He was elected by people who don't value intelligence in it

The West Bank is a landlocked area and would make Palestinians economically dependent on either Jordan or Israel to conduct commerce. Simply agreeing to a cease fire and the 1967 borders would lock Palestinians into a perpetual state of poverty and dependence on Israel. It's also not a defend-able border for Israel. Without peace agreements with Iran and Saudi Arabia, who in fact provide arms and/or money to Palestinians, peace wouldn't last long.



I'm not opposing it. Just saying this isn't a feasible peace solution.
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Let's think about this. The land that Israel stole in the 6 day war did not belong to Israel. Any peace agreement must consist of returning the land they stole, and still currently illegally occupy.

There are plenty of land locked Nations that function adequately. What keeps Palestine perpetually broke, is the Israeli terror state keeping them perpetually broke. I am sure Iran/Syria/etc is more than willing to help Palestine out. Maybe Israel can back off and let it happen?

"not defendable" ? Who cares?

They need to give back the land they stole.

I think it is quite kind that they are entitled to any land, at all.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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trippnface said:
Let's think about this. The land that Israel stole in the 6 day war did not belong to Israel. Any peace agreement must consist of returning the land they stole, and still currently illegally occupy.

There are plenty of land locked Nations that function adequately. What keeps Palestine perpetually broke, is the Israeli terror state keeping them perpetually broke. I am sure Iran/Syria/etc is more than willing to help Palestine out. Maybe Israel can back off and let it happen?

"not defendable" ? Who cares?

They need to give back the land they stole.

I think it is quite kind that they are entitled to any land, at all.
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Right.

Let's think about this. It's just a thought exercise because Israel is governed by a right wing coalition whose existence is justified by Israeli distrust of Palestinians and Hamas's existence is justified by Palestinian's reasonable distrust of the Israeli government.

Let's set the 1967 border as a starting point.

There are 2.6 million Palestinians living in the West Bank. They have to be able to conduct commerce in order to begin to improve their standard of living. The Gaza strip sounds like a wonderful tourist destination and has access to the sea but there isn't an international port in Gaza. One would have to be developed to enable healthy growth in their economy. Then there is a need for the West Bank and Gaza to move goods between the areas without interference by Israel. Perhaps also Israel and the Palestinian nation could agree on a free trade zone where both sides could develop commercial and manufacturing interests with people on both sides free to work and invest.

It does matter that Israel can't defend that border. The government of the Palestinians would have to demonstrate that they take full ownership for maintaining peace on their side. In addition I think Israel could propose some movements in the 1967 border to create a more defend-able border. This might require give and take of land on both sides by agreement. Maybe Israel purchase outright some areas and agree to take in the residents of that area as full citizens of Israel.

Which gets us to the problems with Iran and Saudi Arabia. They have to step down from supporting Palestinian militias.

Regardless of who you think is in the wrong, there can be no peace so long as Israel is beset with people on their borders who don't peacefully accept the existence of Israel. I think it's possible but it has to negotiated by the people in the area. They have to figure out how to make it work. The US should stop supporting Israel. I think that would be a good first step.
 
trippnface

trippnface

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Fogdog said:
Right.

Let's think about this. It's just a thought exercise because Israel is governed by a right wing coalition whose existence is justified by Israeli distrust of Palestinians and Hamas's existence is justified by Palestinian's reasonable distrust of the Israeli government.

Let's set the 1967 border as a starting point.

There are 2.6 million Palestinians living in the West Bank. They have to be able to conduct commerce in order to begin to improve their standard of living. The Gaza strip sounds like a wonderful tourist destination and has access to the sea but there isn't an international port in Gaza. One would have to be developed to enable healthy growth in their economy. Then there is a need for the West Bank and Gaza to move goods between the areas without interference by Israel. Perhaps also Israel and the Palestinian nation could agree on a free trade zone where both sides could develop commercial and manufacturing interests with people on both sides free to work and invest.

It does matter that Israel can't defend that border. The government of the Palestinians would have to demonstrate that they take full ownership for maintaining peace on their side. In addition I think Israel could propose some movements in the 1967 border to create a more defend-able border. This might require give and take of land on both sides by agreement. Maybe Israel purchase outright some areas and agree to take in the residents of that area as full citizens of Israel.

Which gets us to the problems with Iran and Saudi Arabia. They have to step down from supporting Palestinian militias.

Regardless of who you think is in the wrong, there can be no peace so long as Israel is beset with people on their borders who don't peacefully accept the existence of Israel. I think it's possible but it has to negotiated by the people in the area. They have to figure out how to make it work. The US should stop supporting Israel. I think that would be a good first step.
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I really agree with what you said. The biggest issue I see is the United States. We are the aggressor and instigator in the devolopment of any true progress in the Region. It is well known at this point how the USA funds & fights proxy wars for whatever end they deem necessary. Until We the people take back our Country, I cannot see true peace being achieved. Deep State agents will go to any length to create more strife & conflict. Crony Capitalism thrives on War, and the war machine must be maintained.


Getting Israel out of US Politics is definitely a great first step. You can see why I am so adamant about removing Zionist influence from American Politics.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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trippnface said:
I really agree with what you said. The biggest issue I see is the United States. We are the aggressor and instigator in the devolopment of any true progress in the Region. It is well known at this point how the USA funds & fights proxy wars for whatever end they deem necessary. Until We the people take back our Country, I cannot see true peace being achieved. Deep State agents will go to any length to create more strife & conflict. Crony Capitalism thrives on War, and the war machine must be maintained.


Getting Israel out of US Politics is definitely a great first step. You can see why I am so adamant about removing Zionist influence from American Politics.
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Our foreign policy is all the US can control.

Democrats are strongly shifting away from support for Israel.

.http://www.people-press.org/2018/01/23/republicans-and-democrats-grow-even-further-apart-in-views-of-israel-palestinians/.

The partisan divide in Middle East sympathies, for Israel or the Palestinians, is now wider than at any point since 1978. Currently, 79% of Republicans say they sympathize more with Israel than the Palestinians, compared with just 27% of Democrats.

If you are as deeply affected as you say you are by what is going on and feel that the best course of action for the US is to get out of the partnership with Israel then you want Democrats in the WH and Congress.
 
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