Noob need help flowering very slow

[Smokingbandit000]

Hello, I need help trying to figure out what to expect next.

I have one large plant scrogged into a 4x4 tent. I have already grown this strain and finished with great results, this is a clone from the first grow.

It is now week 8 of flower and the buds are barely starting to take shape and very small it looks like flowering just started.

I did super cropping one week before flip and I also lollipopped and did a heavy defoliation at the end of week 3 and I'm sure both of these caused alot of stress so I'm sure it delayed flowering .I'm now wondering what's next, will they still fisnish but take longer now?

pH is always 6.3-6.5
Using fox farm trio nutes following the schedule in fox farm ocean Forrest soil.

One thousand Watt LED and four 100 Watt LEDs on the side.

Fans in lower and upper canopy, no co2 or ventilation which I know cannot help but my first run came out great and I changed nothing in my setup.

 

[Tim1987]

Are you ABSOLUTELY sure there are no major light leaks? I'm not talking a pin hole either. I mean a big leak.
You're running 12/12?

I hate to be the bringer of bad news. But generally, when you flip to 12/12, you hit the kill switch. From the flip, the plant only has limited time to make something happen.
Your plant is taking longer to mature. But if it hasn't bulked up by now, I don't think it's going to TBH.

I think you probably did prune a little crazy. Took away the plants stored energy, it's been saving for flower. You most likely severely stunted it.
It also seems like its growing leaves, like its quickly trying to reveg, and catch up for flower. It just hasn't.


Can I suggest a different pruning method?
Prune them like a rose. Any little branches growing inward toward the trunk, chop em.
Any lower, scraggly branches, that are gonna stretch for light. Chop em.
Leave, your leaves alone.
Shape the plant, by removing branches. Not leaves.
Leaves are gold!!!!!
Photosynthesis, photosynthesis, photosynthesis.


Maybe a reveg, when it's all over?

 

[whitebb2727]

Let it grow. Not sure what happened. Light leak would be my guess.

It is possible that it pruning was severe enough that it needed time to recover.

They look like they been in flower for a few weeks.

The way it is stacking up with some more time it may produce quit a bit.

It's been 8 weeks 12/12 for sure?

 

[Smokingbandit000]

Are you ABSOLUTELY sure there are no major light leaks? I'm not talking a pin hole either. I mean a big leak.
You're running 12/12?

I hate to be the bringer of bad news. But generally, when you flip to 12/12, you hit the kill switch. From the flip, the plant only has limited time to make something happen.
Your plant is taking longer to mature. But if it hasn't bulked up by now, I don't think it's going to TBH.

I think you probably did prune a little crazy. Took away the plants stored energy, it's been saving for flower. You most likely severely stunted it.
It also seems like its growing leaves, like its quickly trying to reveg, and catch up for flower. It just hasn't.


Can I suggest a different pruning method?
Prune them like a rose. Any little branches growing inward toward the trunk, chop em.
Any lower, scraggly branches, that are gonna stretch for light. Chop em.
Leave, your leaves alone.
Shape the plant, by removing branches. Not leaves.
Leaves are gold!!!!!
Photosynthesis, photosynthesis, photosynthesis.


Maybe a reveg, when it's all over?

Thanks for the reply, I don't have any light leaks and it's been exactly 12 on 12 the whole time, it must be because of the pruning, will it finish at all?

 

[Tim1987]

Thanks for the reply, I don't have any light leaks and it's been exactly 12 on 12 the whole time, it must be because of the pruning, will it finish at all?

It will.
When the trichomes start changing colour, is actually the plant on its death bed.
You'll get brown pistils, and cloudy/Amber trichomes. Just your yield is gonna be much, much less than expected.

Having said though. It honestly will probably still smoke fine.

 

[Smokingbandit000]

Let it grow. Not sure what happened. Light leak would be my guess.

It is possible that it pruning was severe enough that it needed time to recover.

They look like they been in flower for a few weeks.

The way it is stacking up with some more time it may produce quit a bit.

It's been 8 weeks 12/12 for sure?

Yes for sure 12 on 12.

It started showing flowers at three weeks which I was a week later than the first time around.

Then after defoliating it just stopped for several week, there are no signs of diffenciancy it looks great and is massive. Hopefully it pulls alot at the end even if it takes longer.

Here's a pic of the first run at just 6 weeks with the same lighting and nutes.

 

[whitebb2727]

Yes for sure 12 on 12.

It started showing flowers at three weeks which I was a week later than the first time around.

Then after defoliating it just stopped for several week, there are no signs of diffenciancy it looks great and is massive. Hopefully it pulls alot at the end even if it takes longer.

Here's a pic of the first run at just 6 weeks with the same lighting and nutes.

Thats probably normal. It being a clone that was revegged could make it take longer to transition to flower. The defoliating didn't help.

Don't cut leaves and stuff off your plants. It doesn't help. It only hurts them except in certian circumstances. Those instances are few and as a new grower will only do harm.

 

[SchmoeJoe]

Hello, I need help trying to figure out what to expect next.

I have one large plant scrogged into a 4x4 tent. I have already grown this strain and finished with great results, this is a clone from the first grow.

It is now week 8 of flower and the buds are barely starting to take shape and very small it looks like flowering just started.

I did super cropping one week before flip and I also lollipopped and did a heavy defoliation at the end of week 3 and I'm sure both of these caused alot of stress so I'm sure it delayed flowering .I'm now wondering what's next, will they still fisnish but take longer now?

pH is always 6.3-6.5
Using fox farm trio nutes following the schedule in fox farm ocean Forrest soil.

One thousand Watt LED and four 100 Watt LEDs on the side.

Fans in lower and upper canopy, no co2 or ventilation which I know cannot help but my first run came out great and I changed nothing in my setup.

With no ventilation or co2 odds are pretty good your garden is suffocating.

 

[Xs121]

Hmmmm doesn't seems to add up man.

Looks like you're not giving us the whole story here.

Your latest grow....different grow approach, you're scrogging and seems you have changed medium too. Not sure whether you're doing hydro here and you're doing soil in your other grow?

Looks like too you have fewer plant count on your latest compared to your previous?

And the light? Looks like 2 different light set-up to me.

I mean...

How can we help when what your telling us is not grooving with what you're showing us.

Side note: This is getting common with new comers asking for help not telling the whole story or not giving accurate information (data). I get the felling that if they provide accurate information it would shame them or something. All I can say to new comers is this, the more detailed and accurate your information the better we can help you and the better advise you get from us.

 

[nonamedman420]

Are you ABSOLUTELY sure there are no major light leaks? I'm not talking a pin hole either. I mean a big leak.
You're running 12/12?

I hate to be the bringer of bad news. But generally, when you flip to 12/12, you hit the kill switch. From the flip, the plant only has limited time to make something happen.
Your plant is taking longer to mature. But if it hasn't bulked up by now, I don't think it's going to TBH.

I think you probably did prune a little crazy. Took away the plants stored energy, it's been saving for flower. You most likely severely stunted it.
It also seems like its growing leaves, like its quickly trying to reveg, and catch up for flower. It just hasn't.


Can I suggest a different pruning method?
Prune them like a rose. Any little branches growing inward toward the trunk, chop em.
Any lower, scraggly branches, that are gonna stretch for light. Chop em.
Leave, your leaves alone.
Shape the plant, by removing branches. Not leaves.
Leaves are gold!!!!!
Photosynthesis, photosynthesis, photosynthesis.


Maybe a reveg, when it's all over?

that's some pretty good advice there

 

[Tim1987]

With no ventilation or co2 odds are pretty good your garden is suffocating.

This is a great point!!
Great post @SchmoeJoe

Is this plant a lot bigger than the last? OP

 

[whitebb2727]

If there is any air replacement then c02 shouldn't be a problem. It would need to be sealed with no new air coming in.

Lack of nutrients would be part of it.

I also agree the story doesn't seem quit on. Something odd.

 

[nonamedman420]

that looks like one "300" watt light (really 170 ish?) and four "60" watt lights (maybe 9-13 watts each).

just saying that doesn't look like 1400 watts of light

 

[Smokingbandit000]

Hmmmm doesn't seems to add up man.

Looks like you're not giving us the whole story here.

Your latest grow....different grow approach, you're scrogging and seems you have changed medium too. Not sure whether you're doing hydro here and you're doing soil in your other grow?

Looks like too you have fewer plant count on your latest compared to your previous?

And the light? Looks like 2 different light set-up to me.

I mean...

How can we help when what your telling us is not grooving with what you're showing us.

Side note: This is getting common with new comers asking for help not telling the whole story or not giving accurate information (data). I get the felling that if they provide accurate information it would shame them or something. All I can say to new comers is this, the more detailed and accurate your information the better we can help you and the better advise you get from us.

Sorry it seems that way but it is what it is. The first was five plants using the exact lights that is the new one.

Using fox farm soil ocean forest.

Using fox farm nutes trio following the schedule.

I'm doing everything the same except this one I only used one plant and supper cropped it one week before flower. Then I did a defoliation three weeks into flower. Same lights same tent same everything, except the new one is one large plant from clone vegged for 3 months before flower. See pics.

 

[Tim1987]

Are you ABSOLUTELY sure there are no major light leaks? I'm not talking a pin hole either. I mean a big leak.
You're running 12/12?

I hate to be the bringer of bad news. But generally, when you flip to 12/12, you hit the kill switch. From the flip, the plant only has limited time to make something happen.
Your plant is taking longer to mature. But if it hasn't bulked up by now, I don't think it's going to TBH.

I think you probably did prune a little crazy. Took away the plants stored energy, it's been saving for flower. You most likely severely stunted it.
It also seems like its growing leaves, like its quickly trying to reveg, and catch up for flower. It just hasn't.


Can I suggest a different pruning method?
Prune them like a rose. Any little branches growing inward toward the trunk, chop em.
Any lower, scraggly branches, that are gonna stretch for light. Chop em.
Leave, your leaves alone.
Shape the plant, by removing branches. Not leaves.
Leaves are gold!!!!!
Photosynthesis, photosynthesis, photosynthesis.


Maybe a reveg, when it's all over?

With no ventilation or co2 odds are pretty good your garden is suffocating.

This is a great point!!
Great post @SchmoeJoe

Is this plant a lot bigger than the last? OP

Sorry it seems that way but it is what it is. The first was five plants using the exact lights that is the new one.

Using fox farm soil ocean forest.

Using fox farm nutes trio following the schedule.

I'm doing everything the same except this one I only used one plant and supper cropped it one week before flower. Then I did a defoliation three weeks into flower. Same lights same tent same everything, except the new one is one large plant from clone vegged for 3 months before flower. See pics.

TBH OP, I think you have your answer.
It's a larger plant, than your last grow. Larger plants need more fresh air. You have no air exchange.
You over pruned, which stunted them.

Combination of stunting, and suffocation.
This would severely stunt growth, and severely cut your yield.
IMHO the pieces fit together. It makes sense.

 

[Smokingbandit000]

This is a great point!!
Great post @SchmoeJoe

Is this plant a lot bigger than the last? OP

Yes way bigger

 

[Tim1987]

Yes way bigger

There you go.


On side note as well.
If it's a much bigger plant, and lacking light, the same could happen too.
It most likely doesn't have to do with your light. Though it could be another factor to add too. Older, larger plants need extra light.

How much light do you have?
Be specific as well. Please.

 

[Smokingbandit000]

TBH OP, I think you have your answer.
It's a larger plant, than your last grow. Larger plants need more fresh air. You have no air exchange.
You over pruned, which stunted them.

Combination of stunting, and suffocation.
This would severely stunt growth, and severely cut your yield.
IMHO the pieces fit together. It makes sense.

Yeh sounds about right then so that would explain why the smaller ones finished good in the same setup, they didn't need as much airflow.

So I guess what I'm wondering now is will it finish? Which it sounds like from previous reply it will just way lower a yesil, I figured I wouldn't get the yeild I could if I had porper venting and what not but I just grow for smoke and figured if I can pull a few of every couple months it would be worth it, I wasn't expecting massive yeildd just wasn't expecting this either.

 

[whitebb2727]

Sorry it seems that way but it is what it is. The first was five plants using the exact lights that is the new one.

Using fox farm soil ocean forest.

Using fox farm nutes trio following the schedule.

I'm doing everything the same except this one I only used one plant and supper cropped it one week before flower. Then I did a defoliation three weeks into flower. Same lights same tent same everything, except the new one is one large plant from clone vegged for 3 months before flower. See pics.

If that is the case then the defoliation really stunted it. That's a thing. You stress it enough to stunt. Stalls growth. Let it finish and next time don't hack them up and stunt them.

 

[whitebb2727]

I mean a space that small only needs a few cfm to meet the air exchange need.

Do you have any kind if air exchange?