Droopy Dieing Clones

[420_Pilot]

Hey what’s sup ppl. I Recently purchased some clones from a friend who uses Sensi grow part A. Sensi grow part B. Clonex. & ph. 5.5-6.0 & transplanted clones into these 1gal. Pots, from a Rockwool cubes, I kept a 2light T12 shop light on them cause that’s all that’s available Rn. & yes I am running them 24/7 to keep them in full blown vegging, I also keep the soil moist/wet, never completely drys out. I’ve had them in 1gal. Pots for about 7-8 days already, Also I’ve only feed them once with nutrients (floralicious plus) & a slight foliar spray of (flsp) as well,They seemed to have liked it i noticed the water leaves facing upward more then usual, but then outta no were some clones jus give up on me an start doing that droopy thing an sooner or later they go never come back jus dies, Idk I’ve had a couple do this to me as well before I’ve ever gave them nutes. Don’t know we’re I went wrong any help would be awesome thanks & much appreciated.

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[hotrodharley]

Too wet and crappy light.

 

[420_Pilot]

Thanks HotRodHarley. What lights would you recommend? & any possible ways for quicker dry out? these babys are soon to be going in the greenhouse I jus need them roots to catch because I’ve tried putting um outside once an they got cooked, they didn’t like it one bit

 

[ANC]

cut the base off a clear large bottle and make a temporary dome...

 

[420_Pilot]

ANC that sounds good. Smart idea! lol why didn’t I think of this before.

 

[OneHitDone]

Too wet and crappy light.

Let me guess, he needs a Quantum Board right?

@420_Pilot did these just come out of your buddies clone dome or had they been hardened off to open room environment by him?
Also, what is in the soil mix?

 

[420_Pilot]

Let me guess, he needs a Quantum Board right?

@420_Pilot did these just come out of your buddies clone dome or had they been hardened off to open room environment by him?
Also, what is in the soil mix?

I’m sure he has them open in room environment & the soil I’m using is from a local nursery I’ve used it before worked really great never had any problems with it

 

[Dynamo626]

unless you are in coco your drowning them. let the soil dry between watering. when in nature does a cannabis plants soil stay moist. the lil buggers love a dry spell. as for lighting the more light the higher the yield. if your on a budget use t5 florescence but remember cheep isnt good. fluorescent may be more energy efficient than regular incandescent but they are the most inefficient if all grow lights. i wont suggest a type of light because then 50 people will chime in saying why there light is best. i have seen amazing results with all types of lights. they all have there bennifits and draw backs. the main types of lighting is florescent, hid, led, cmh (also called cdm or lec), cob, mcob, and plasma (lep)

 

[OneHitDone]

The T12 shop light is perfectly sufficient for setting them in to their 1 gal pots.
They appear to be either dehydrated, over watered, or have some fungal/disease issue
We are assuming here that they were all perky when you got them?
How long after burying the rock wool in dirt did they go all limp dick?

 

[420_Pilot]

The T12 shop light is perfectly sufficient for setting them in to their 1 gal pots.
They appear to be either dehydrated, over watered, or have some fungal/disease issue
We are assuming here that they were all perky when you got them?
How long after burying the rock wool in dirt did they go all limp dick?

Yes the T12’s are good there’s no problem there I’ve had great results with these lights in vegging in the past. & about 2-3 days after transplant I started noticing. Idk if the sun may have damaged them I tried putting them straight outside once an had to bring back in ASAP that was the first time ever when the drooping started gave them a little sip of water an fresh room temp. Air an they came back. But yeah ever since then they like to get droopy

 

[420_Pilot]

unless you are in coco your drowning them. let the soil dry between watering. when in nature does a cannabis plants soil stay moist. the lil buggers love a dry spell. as for lighting the more light the higher the yield. if your on a budget use t5 florescence but remember cheep isnt good. fluorescent may be more energy efficient than regular incandescent but they are the most inefficient if all grow lights. i wont suggest a type of light because then 50 people will chime in saying why there light is best. i have seen amazing results with all types of lights. they all have there bennifits and draw backs. the main types of lighting is florescent, hid, led, cmh (also called cdm or lec), cob, mcob, and plasma (lep)

Yeah mabey it is coco I’m not quite sure I will half to look in to that and find out, i haven’t watered since, last time I did couple days ago I’m tryna dry the soil up. My vegg lights ain’t a problem I’ve had good results with these in the past, something else is going on that I ain’t aware of, ur probably right to much water I’ll cut back an see what happens

 

[JohnDee]

Greetings 420_pilot,
A couple of questions for you. How deep did you bury the rockwool cubes. Some folks feel that the cube can waterlog when underground. Others say not to worry.

I personally believe that seedlings and clones should be grown anticipating the system they are destined for. Peat pucks for dirt, rockwool for hydro. It's a root thing.

Oh, and you said that you both fed nutrient feeding as well as a foliar feed. And plant wilted how long after that? Could that be related to your current issue? Just posing a question.
JD

 

[420_Pilot]

Greetings 420_pilot,
A couple of questions for you. How deep did you bury the rockwool cubes. Some folks feel that the cube can waterlog when underground. Others say not to worry.

I personally believe that seedlings and clones should be grown anticipating the system they are destined for. Peat pucks for dirt, rockwool for hydro. It's a root thing.

Oh, and you said that you both fed nutrient feeding as well as a foliar feed. And plant wilted how long after that? Could that be related to your current issue? Just posing a question.
JD

Hello John Dee,
I Barried the cubes not that far in, for example: If you Wer to rub off some soil next to the stem, cube would automatically appear, with that being said, No the Rockwool cubes are fine believe me & For the cubes being designed for there own special purpose I understand what your saying but at the same time I’ve gotten some good results with rw cubes in my soil. My personal opinion, I feel if you have great roots structure your pretty much in the door you know what I mean. Yes they received a foliar feeding as well as a light watering feed, Clones loved it I noticed they were facing more upward an happy but I think my current issue wasn’t affected by the feed, mabey the leaf burns but Nope not the drooping an dieing. My clones have bin drooping way before they received any nutes.

 

[420_Pilot]

Thanks HotRodHarley. What lights would you recommend? & any possible ways for quicker dry out? these babys are soon to be going in the greenhouse I jus need them roots to catch because I’ve tried putting um outside once an they got cooked, they didn’t like it one bit

@hotrodharley

 

[420_Pilot]

ANC that sounds good. Smart idea! lol why didn’t I think of this before.

@ANC

 

[hotrodharley]

I prefer HPS just for simplicity. I do use metal halide to veg and presently I'm finishing some under metal halide as a test. I've never done a complete grow under halide. It is taking longer.

 

[JohnDee]

Good morning 420_Pilot,
Thanks for the info. Even though you feel the rockwool cubes aren't an issue (and you're probably correct)...try to avoid watering close to the stem so that you don't waterlog the cubes.

Allow me to explain my position on roots. Plants produce different root structures depending on moisture levels. There are "hydro" roots such as would be grown while in a rockwool cube. They tend to be fatter. Then there are soil roots which are very fine.

By rooting the clone in hydro (rockwool) and then transplanting to soil...you are forcing the clone to adapt to a completely different environment. And no, I am not making this up.

That being said, there are many guys breaking this rule and getting away with it.

So I guess the goal is to protect the plant with domes or misting and high humidity until roots adjust.
JD

 

[Dmannn]

Too wet and crappy light.

seconded, dry them out. A four bulb t5 will work for now.