green or yellow fan leaves at harvest

Miyagismokes

Miyagismokes

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Beachwalker said:
It also increases the possibility of mold or mildew in the drying room ? And the more plants the higher the risk. Not slamming it I trim both ways depending on situation, but it does.
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The only time I've had a hard time with mold in the drying room is when I couldn't control either temp or humidity.

Dehumidifiers are your best friend.
 
JohnDee

JohnDee

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Hi Guys,
Miyagi...got my dehydrator all warmed up. It's a matter of readiness. I once sold some bud to a guy...was just put in the jars. Guy didn't burp jars like he should have and the bud molded...and he blamed me. He was a grower and new how to cure. Just got lazy. So I take full responsibility for all my actions, relying on nobody and I want to make sure my actions are correct. Or as Kraftwerk put it: "i'm the operator of my pocket calculator"

Thanks for all the info guys...
JD
 
JohnDee

JohnDee

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Miyagismokes said:
Methods long abandoned for me...
I'd have a half-ton of glass jars around.

I use oven bags.
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8) Indeed some of my procedures are decades old. Def will look into oven bags. Jars are nice because when you aren't drying herb...you can grow mushrooms in them.
JD
 
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Wilksey

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JohnDee said:
the old school idea that by allowing a plant to use up it's stored nutrients.
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Is pants on head retarded, and pure stoner myth.

Why?

This is why: Liebig's law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebig's_law_of_the_minimum

A plant will only use nutrients at a balanced rate, and that balanced rate is determined by the LEAST available nutrient, so by cutting off or limiting ONE nutrient, you impact EVERY OTHER nutrient available to the plant...including nutrients needed to produce the glandular trichomes we're all trying to grow.

A healthy green plant is far more likely to produce healthy glandular trichomes, laden with thc, than an unhealthy plant that's being intentionally denied nutes and allowed to yellow, further hampering photosynthesis and other vital plant functions, like thc development.

Every issue people try to blame on "not flushing" turns out to be a drying and curing issue, not a nute or growth issue.

Regardless, do what you think is best.
 
charface

charface

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Plants evolved in nature.
In the beginning of the season the ground is rich with nitrogen.

As the season progresses it gets used and when rains arrive fast acting nitrogen is the first to go.

Dr Ethan Russo thinks that by limiting
Nutrients you can actually get a boost in the terps, which is a huge factor in choosing a variety.

But clearly he is a retard.
According to him Terps decrease with soil fertility.

Listen to the Retarded Dr on the chasing fire podcast
Episode, cannabinoids and terpinoids.

You will notice right away he is just some dipshit stoner.

Always consider the source when taking in information.

Some of it is considerably valuable.
Some is retarded
 
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growingforfun

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Wilksey said:
Is pants on head retarded, and pure stoner myth.

Why?

This is why: Liebig's law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebig's_law_of_the_minimum

A plant will only use nutrients at a balanced rate, and that balanced rate is determined by the LEAST available nutrient, so by cutting off or limiting ONE nutrient, you impact EVERY OTHER nutrient available to the plant...including nutrients needed to produce the glandular trichomes we're all trying to grow.

A healthy green plant is far more likely to produce healthy glandular trichomes, laden with thc, than an unhealthy plant that's being intentionally denied nutes and allowed to yellow, further hampering photosynthesis and other vital plant functions, like thc development.

Every issue people try to blame on "not flushing" turns out to be a drying and curing issue, not a nute or growth issue.

Regardless, do what you think is best.
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My experiance is differant. Im not advocating a "flush" just a taper off of nutrients. A plant thats dark green till the end hasnt ever been a good tasting plant for me or that ive seen. If it can be done though id like to see it, have to see it personally done an tasted it myself. Everything ive seen or experianced says its gonna taste like crap an nothing soneone says online is going to make be belive it just like that.


People who flush are the ones feeding way too much of some nasty bud finishers/hardeners an i think that crowd is dying out.
 
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growingforfun

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I also think you should re-read that "law" its actually a principle, and i dont think your understanding and applying it properly. By the logic your seeming to apply, there shoupd never be such a thing as nitrogen toxicy, phos, etc becayse the plant takes them all up equally. Well we all know that isnt true even a little bit.

This is in relation to optimum plant growth, and that having double the nitrogen wont make up for having half the phos.
 
Miyagismokes

Miyagismokes

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growingforfun said:
nasty bud finishers/hardeners an i think that crowd is dying out.
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Not in my experience....
My neighbor is going to spend probably 6k in bottles this season.

Meanwhile, I operate slightly more organic and I'm pretty covered for the whole year on less than 1.5k
 
JohnDee

JohnDee

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Hi Guys,
If this principle from 1828 holds water (that's a pun on the Liebig's barrel)...then the stored nutrients in the plant do provide most macro-nutrients (the mobile ones). So perhaps providing the micro-nutrients at a low level would eliminate that bottleneck and still allow maximum growth while using up the mobile nutrients.

So thanks Wilksey, you provided a fresh perspective which was the goal of the thread.
JD
 
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growingforfun

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Miyagismokes said:
Not in my experience....
My neighbor is going to spend probably 6k in bottles this season.

Meanwhile, I operate slightly more organic and I'm pretty covered for the whole year on less than 1.5k
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Im sure he an others are stilm using them, but its a lot less than it used to be around these forums. And im talking just about bud hardeners such as gravity, topmax, etc that were all the rage 5-8 years ago.
 
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Wilksey

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growingforfun said:
I also think you should re-read that "law" its actually a principle, and i dont think your understanding and applying it properly. By the logic your seeming to apply, there shoupd never be such a thing as nitrogen toxicy, phos, etc becayse the plant takes them all up equally. Well we all know that isnt true even a little bit.

This is in relation to optimum plant growth, and that having double the nitrogen wont make up for having half the phos.
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I understand it perfectly, which is why I will keep posting it on this forum until others do.

First, the word "equal" does not exist in the post you are responding to, so that's something that YOU created, not I, friend.

Second, the term "balanced rate", which IS used in my post, refers to the PROPORTION of nutes used, and is similar to a "balanced meal" in that your protein, carb, and veggie load is NOT equal, but balanced in proportion. The article I linked should have made that perfectly clear....which is why I linked it.

As far as toxicity, salts are salts, and our hyrdo nutes are bound to salts to make them available to the plant. When toxicity builds up, it's not the nute as much as the SALT its bound to that robs the root zone of moisture, resulting in the back flow of liquid from the above ground level to the root zone in an attempt to keep the roots safe....which in turn fucks up the leaves on the top side. The plant has no choice in the matter, and toxicity occurs due to grower error, not the plant "pigging out" on any given available nute.
 
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growingforfun

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If you understand it perfectly then you must have pulled some mystery information out of there because in no area of your link does it talk about not tapering off nutrients suppied to a plant to produce a cleaner smoke.
This is about growth rates for veggies and economics/population growth. Thats why im saying it doesnt seem like you understand it or are applying it correctly. This idea is from the 1800s and they didnt have the tools we are using now.. they had some basic processed fertilizers and some basic unprocessed fertlilizers.

This is a very basic concept and everyone knows a chain is only as strong as the weakest link. Everyone knows yiu cant grow a plant without nitrogen. I reaply dont see why you think this has anything to do with the topic tho.
 
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