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Rob Roy

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Now your pimping out your son..... nice :(.
All of my sons are a lot older than the hypothetical 13 year old London Fog likes to talk about, when he's not talking about middle school girls or forcing black guys to serve him.

So, my comment was sarcastic, but you already knew that.
 

Rob Roy

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“Many laws are arbitrary manmade constructs assigning some people control over others.”

Yes they are, and some/most are good and just. As for the age of consent, you are sounding more and more like some of the better known peds, they basically parrot what your saying, most are now where they belong, prison or preferably dead.

“I don't have the right to take anyones clothes off them without their consent or force anybody to wear them. Although a recent trip to Walmart has me wavering on my principles.”

Why was there a nice young one you wanted to rip the clothes off, with or without her consent?

 

Sativied

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I have to disagree with Jim, you don’t have good arguments, just one big case of reductio ad absurdum. Repeating it because you thought you had such a good argument, that any possible answer could lead to conclusions confirming you, suggests I overestimated you and I should apologize to Jim for giving him the impression this is a good debate.

The discrimination paradox by Rob Roy: ‘Forcing a black restaurant owner to stop refusing to serve black people is slavery.’

Do you also have moral objections against not allowing a gay restaurant owner to discriminate towards lesbians, specifically to a level it outweighs your moral objections against discrimination towards lesbians?

How about locking up kidnappers who are also parents and thus separating their children from them?

There are no moral dilemmas there, just absurdity.

Suggesting people of whatever color should have the freedom to discriminate based on skin color is suggesting people should have the freedom to harm others, while that is obviously where the limit of one’s freedom should lie. There is no harm in serving people of color and the only ‘principle’ one could have for not doing so is being racist. Which is not a ‘preference’ any tolerant and liberal society should tolerate.

People like me? People suggesting discrimination based on skin color should not be allowed? Damn dictators :lol: I didn’t suggest I’d be the one making up the rules. If you however would want a say, influence, I highly recommended becoming rational and reasonable.

In your messed up world, given enough other racists, which there are, black people like gay people would have a harder time finding a place to eat. Where does that end? In what other businesses do you propose we tolerated racism under the banner of freedom? Racism isn’t just some personal preference, it’s a disease, a virus, known to spread, known to harm. You’re not alone on the world, you are not omnipotent, so tolerance is required for freedom. Tolerance stops at the intolerant. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance


I would love to hear you opinion on how @Rob Roy debates that a child of 12 can consent to sexual relations with someone 27 years old. He believes some children are mature for their age and age limits should be accordingly.
Since we’re pointing out the obvious, there's Rob’s motive for wanting his argument to be valid, for his apparent emotional investment. But wasn’t Rob the child in the above scenario? Rob? Would it not be easier to come to terms with the fact your neighbor raped you, instead of having her mindfuck yourself out of rational thinking for the rest of your life?

I believe you believe yourself in the same way I believe most Christians believe in God and afterlife. They don’t really. And speaking of morals...
https://en.m.wikiversity.org/wiki/Intellectual_Honesty
We have a moral duty to be honest. This duty is especially important when we share ideas that can inform or persuade others.

But then it really isn’t me you are trying to persuade is it.

Both @Rob Roy and @Sativied have made great arguments, worthy of a discussion before the Supreme Court.
That's the way debate should work, without the fuck you asshole shit that usually occurs.
Please keep up the good work, it makes me smile :)
Well with Trump picking out judges I can see that happening. Got to read between the lines, I called him a pedo twice and when discussing with racists and racism-enablers the fuck you asshole is implied.
 

schuylaar

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So, why would you force a black guy to serve a white guy against the black guy's will ?
rob it's his job didn't he apply to work there? if you dont want to wait on someone you give the table to another waiter..one size does not fit all in your world.
 

Rob Roy

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I have to disagree with Jim, you don’t have good arguments, just one big case of reductio ad absurdum. Repeating it because you thought you had such a good argument, that any possible answer could lead to conclusions confirming you, suggests I overestimated you and I should apologize to Jim for giving him the impression this is a good debate.

The discrimination paradox by Rob Roy: ‘Forcing a black restaurant owner to stop refusing to serve black people is slavery.’

Do you also have moral objections against not allowing a gay restaurant owner to discriminate towards lesbians, specifically to a level it outweighs your moral objections against discrimination towards lesbians?

How about locking up kidnappers who are also parents and thus separating their children from them?

There are no moral dilemmas there, just absurdity.

Suggesting people of whatever color should have the freedom to discriminate based on skin color is suggesting people should have the freedom to harm others, while that is obviously where the limit of one’s freedom should lie. There is no harm in serving people of color and the only ‘principle’ one could have for not doing so is being racist. Which is not a ‘preference’ any tolerant and liberal society should tolerate.

People like me? People suggesting discrimination based on skin color should not be allowed? Damn dictators :lol: I didn’t suggest I’d be the one making up the rules. If you however would want a say, influence, I highly recommended becoming rational and reasonable.

In your messed up world, given enough other racists, which there are, black people like gay people would have a harder time finding a place to eat. Where does that end? In what other businesses do you propose we tolerated racism under the banner of freedom? Racism isn’t just some personal preference, it’s a disease, a virus, known to spread, known to harm. You’re not alone on the world, you are not omnipotent, so tolerance is required for freedom. Tolerance stops at the intolerant. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance


Since we’re pointing out the obvious, there's Rob’s motive for wanting his argument to be valid, for his apparent emotional investment. But wasn’t Rob the child in the above scenario? Rob? Would it not be easier to come to terms with the fact your neighbor raped you, instead of having her mindfuck yourself out of rational thinking for the rest of your life?

I believe you believe yourself in the same way I believe most Christians believe in God and afterlife. They don’t really. And speaking of morals...
https://en.m.wikiversity.org/wiki/Intellectual_Honesty
We have a moral duty to be honest. This duty is especially important when we share ideas that can inform or persuade others.

But then it really isn’t me you are trying to persuade is it.


Well with Trump picking out judges I can see that happening. Got to read between the lines, I called him a pedo twice and when discussing with racists and racism-enablers the fuck you asshole is implied.



I have moral objections to initiating force against a person who has made it clear they'd prefer not to associate with me.

I don't have the right to force another to serve me or associate with me, if they'd prefer not to. Are you saying that you do? Where did you get it from? The Rape store ?
 

Rob Roy

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rob it's his job didn't he apply to work there? if you dont want to wait on someone you give the table to another waiter..one size does not fit all in your world.
Exactly. The person who doesn't like to serve others, probably should not agree to work for somebody or somewhere that has made it clear the conditions of the job include nondiscrimination etc.

However if you own a place, and somebody comes in demanding you serve them in a way you aren't comfortable with, who should have the final say ? Should it be the person who owns the place or should it be the person who doesn't own the place ? Do people have a right to decline an offer to interact from other people is the pertinent question ?

I'll be over to paint your house later, I've decided I'd like to do it in some bizarre tiger stripe pattern, that you disapprove of. Do you have the right to tell me no? I think you do.
 

Rob Roy

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I have to disagree with Jim, you don’t have good arguments, just one big case of reductio ad absurdum. Repeating it because you thought you had such a good argument, that any possible answer could lead to conclusions confirming you, suggests I overestimated you and I should apologize to Jim for giving him the impression this is a good debate.

The discrimination paradox by Rob Roy: ‘Forcing a black restaurant owner to stop refusing to serve black people is slavery.’

Do you also have moral objections against not allowing a gay restaurant owner to discriminate towards lesbians, specifically to a level it outweighs your moral objections against discrimination towards lesbians?

How about locking up kidnappers who are also parents and thus separating their children from them?

There are no moral dilemmas there, just absurdity.

Suggesting people of whatever color should have the freedom to discriminate based on skin color is suggesting people should have the freedom to harm others, while that is obviously where the limit of one’s freedom should lie. There is no harm in serving people of color and the only ‘principle’ one could have for not doing so is being racist. Which is not a ‘preference’ any tolerant and liberal society should tolerate.

People like me? People suggesting discrimination based on skin color should not be allowed? Damn dictators :lol: I didn’t suggest I’d be the one making up the rules. If you however would want a say, influence, I highly recommended becoming rational and reasonable.

In your messed up world, given enough other racists, which there are, black people like gay people would have a harder time finding a place to eat. Where does that end? In what other businesses do you propose we tolerated racism under the banner of freedom? Racism isn’t just some personal preference, it’s a disease, a virus, known to spread, known to harm. You’re not alone on the world, you are not omnipotent, so tolerance is required for freedom. Tolerance stops at the intolerant. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance


Since we’re pointing out the obvious, there's Rob’s motive for wanting his argument to be valid, for his apparent emotional investment. But wasn’t Rob the child in the above scenario? Rob? Would it not be easier to come to terms with the fact your neighbor raped you, instead of having her mindfuck yourself out of rational thinking for the rest of your life?

I believe you believe yourself in the same way I believe most Christians believe in God and afterlife. They don’t really. And speaking of morals...
https://en.m.wikiversity.org/wiki/Intellectual_Honesty
We have a moral duty to be honest. This duty is especially important when we share ideas that can inform or persuade others.

But then it really isn’t me you are trying to persuade is it.


Well with Trump picking out judges I can see that happening. Got to read between the lines, I called him a pedo twice and when discussing with racists and racism-enablers the fuck you asshole is implied.

You said "tolerance stops at the intolerant" .

So if somebody prefers to not associate with you, but is willing to leave you alone. You will not tolerate that and become intolerant? You will MAKE them associate with you?
 

Rob Roy

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Do you also have moral objections against not allowing a gay restaurant owner to discriminate towards lesbians, specifically to a level it outweighs your moral objections against discrimination towards lesbians?

I don't have the authority to "allow" or disallow" other people from doing what they wish to do with their own property and / or their own body do I?

Do you have that authority ? Where did you get it from ?
 

Rob Roy

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In your messed up world, given enough other racists, which there are, black people like gay people would have a harder time finding a place to eat. Where does that end? In what other businesses do you propose we tolerated racism under the banner of freedom? Racism isn’t just some personal preference, it’s a disease, a virus, known to spread, known to harm. You’re not alone on the world, you are not omnipotent, so tolerance is required for freedom. Tolerance stops at the intolerant. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

If you removed coercion based government regulations, you could easily open a place to eat that should be free to serve pink unicorns and fried liberal tear soup. You could even serve some of that crow sticking out of your mouth.

What you are basically saying is that if you don't like a persons belief, you are willing to harm them, rather than leaving them alone (as long as they leave you alone) and that somehow it is okay to force another person to associate with you and serve you.

If you aren't saying that, please explain how you are not.


note - While I find your silly attempts at psychoanalysis cute, they haven't addressed my questions. Making the topic about me, rather than the subject matter is a sign of a weak argument.
 

londonfog

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I don't have the authority to "allow" or disallow" other people from doing what they wish to do with their own property and / or their own body do I?

Do you have that authority ? Where did you get it from ?
A property owner has a stream running down his property. He likes to shit, urinate and throw his garbage into said stream. His neighbors down-stream wants him to stop because they also use the stream to collect water, swim and fish.
Who wins this scenario ??
I man enjoys walking around naked in his own body all the time 24/7. He feels clothes are a burden. He applies for a job as a elementary school teacher. Does he have the right to do what he wishes with his body still ?
 

Rob Roy

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A property owner has a stream running down his property. He likes to shit, urinate and throw his garbage into said stream. His neighbors down-stream wants him to stop because they also use the stream to collect water, swim and fish.
Who wins this scenario ??
I man enjoys walking around naked in his own body all the time 24/7. He feels clothes are a burden. He applies for a job as a elementary school teacher. Does he have the right to do what he wishes with his body still ?

1) It sounds like you are trying to form a question asking "in the absence of government etc. "

2) You seem to have a lot of naked men in your stories lately, so I'll cautiously play along for a while.

Okay, who owns the school ?
 

UncleBuck

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1) It sounds like you are trying to form a question asking "in the absence of government etc. "

2) You seem to have a lot of naked men in your stories lately, so I'll cautiously play along for a while.

Okay, who owns the school ?
so i guess you just gave up on that imaginary black-owned business that refuses service to whites, eh
 

ttystikk

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1) It sounds like you are trying to form a question asking "in the absence of government etc. "

2) You seem to have a lot of naked men in your stories lately, so I'll cautiously play along for a while.

Okay, who owns the school ?
People like you are a threat to civilisation.
 

Rob Roy

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so i guess you just gave up on that imaginary black-owned business that refuses service to whites, eh

No I rejected the question as your attempt to shift from trying to rebut what I said, to something else. It's what the loser usually does. Nice try though.

You either would or would not force an unwilling black guy to serve you against his will. I say you would.

If you wouldn't, but would force a white guy to in similar circumstances, your racism is proven. If you would, force a black guy to serve you, against his will, Klanman, that just doesn't seem very nice now does it?

In both cases, you'd use a gun to force someone to serve you. Pathetic.


Still winning.
 
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