Jordan Peterson

ginjawarrior

ginjawarrior

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UncleBuck said:
you believe in cultural marxism which is a nazi conspiracy theory

they called it judeo-bolshevism
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pathetic buck


When, as has been the case on the Evergreen campus, requests for examples of racism are met with the charge that such requests are in and of themselves racist, it is unlikely that any progress will be made. The Evergreen campus has become a place where identity politics takes precedence over every other aspect of social intercourse.
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Evergreen is not alone in the constellation of institutions of higher education facing these problems. It is, however, a place that has allowed extremists to dominate and discussion to die. Others will do well to learn from the mistakes made on this campus.
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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-evergreen-state-college-implosion-are-there-lessons_us_5959507ee4b0f078efd98b0e?guccounter=1

the far left does exist

hitler didnt make it up
 
ginjawarrior

ginjawarrior

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UncleBuck said:
you are worried about college kids and calling them "extremists" as you internalize nazi propaganda
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the huffing post article called them extremists

i'd happily call them cultural marxists

what would you describe their ideologue to be? be granular now....
 
Beefbisquit

Beefbisquit

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I'm not sure I believe in cultural Marxism, but I certainly believe that post-modern philosophies have become pervasive.
 
Mary's Confidant

Mary's Confidant

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UncleBuck said:
it's your reality too, you are just willfully trying to deny it



yes, all the time. he frequently posits that "cultural marxism" is a ruse to destroy "western civilization" (a codeword used by neo-nazis and white supremacists)



jim jeffries: making people bake a cake for a gay wedding

jordan peterson: making them do it?

jj: yeah

jp: i don't think that's a very good idea

jj: so should they be able to deny making a cake for a black couple if they don't like black people?

jp: allowed to? probably



absolutely. anything else would be bigotry that only a rat fucker like jordan peterson would advocate for
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Ha ha, your reality sucks. You so
UncleBuck said:
it's your reality too, you are just willfully trying to deny it



yes, all the time. he frequently posits that "cultural marxism" is a ruse to destroy "western civilization" (a codeword used by neo-nazis and white supremacists)



jim jeffries: making people bake a cake for a gay wedding

jordan peterson: making them do it?

jj: yeah

jp: i don't think that's a very good idea

jj: so should they be able to deny making a cake for a black couple if they don't like black people?

jp: allowed to? probably



absolutely. anything else would be bigotry that only a rat fucker like jordan peterson would advocate for
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Ha ha, you don't address issues people are bringing up. You side step and when we asked for actual evidence of Peterson being the things you claim, you revert to "couched language" like "cultural marxism is code for hating jews". You're the one hiding behind a facade of "reality" that operates under the guise of maximum acceptance, until someone disagress. Ingroups and outgroups define everything for you.

Obviously, religious belief has no place in your world and you'd banish it if you could. You'd like to drive anyone out of the marketplace who has the audacity to live their fervent belief/religion. I get tired of fundamentalists on both sides, the hard core religious types and everyone like you but I still believe you should possess the right to turn away a religious themed cake if you operated some "liberal cake shop".

I suppose this comes down to what is most important: personal freedom vs. coerced acceptance.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Mary's Confidant said:
Ha ha, your reality sucks. You so



Ha ha, you don't address issues people are bringing up. You side step and when we asked for actual evidence of Peterson being the things you claim, you revert to "couched language" like "cultural marxism is code for hating jews". You're the one hiding behind a facade of "reality" that operates under the guise of maximum acceptance, until someone disagress. Ingroups and outgroups define everything for you.

Obviously, religious belief has no place in your world and you'd banish it if you could. You'd like to drive anyone out of the marketplace who has the audacity to live their fervent belief/religion. I get tired of fundamentalists on both sides, the hard core religious types and everyone like you but I still believe you should possess the right to turn away a religious themed cake if you operated some "liberal cake shop".

I suppose this comes down to what is most important: personal freedom vs. coerced acceptance.
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what do you think "cultural marxism" is then. please educate us. share the teachings of your cult
 
Mary's Confidant

Mary's Confidant

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UncleBuck said:
what do you think "cultural marxism" is then. please educate us. share the teachings of your cult
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I can't speak for everyone who you describe as my cult because I read/listen to Peterson for the same reason I listen to select others. There are people like Rush Limbaugh, Bill Maher, Hannedy (sp?) that I view as shock jocks for their audience. They aren't going to win anyone to the other side but they are going to provide audio fodder for their herd.

Then there are people like Jordan Peterson, Malcom Gladwell, E.F. Schumacher, CG Jung who show the interconnectedness and framework for understanding our world through a different lens. These authors resonate with me and my current understanding of the world and help it continue to grow in nuance.

Moving to your question of Cultural Marxism; I believe an ideal world is one where sexism, racism, bigotry are minimized to the greatest extent possible without compromising individual freedom to think and act as one chooses. In my ideal world people are entitled to any belief system they choose. They are free to act it out in all phases of life, insofar that it doesn't seriously compromise anyone else's life.

Cultural Marxism, as I understand it, is the pendulum swinging too forcefully to the left; it's the belief that group identity is the basis for understanding the world. Thinking through the lens of group identity is a natural phenomenon but not the ideal way to operate because there will always be class warfare through that lens. People who have been historically abused, oppressed, etc. begin to gain traction in the public sentiment and once they've received acceptance, they continue wanting to codify into law their absolute protection or more. I understand why but long arcing pendulum swings are detrimental to society. We'd ideally have very low amplitudes as we oscillate back and forth - Honoring the past and the weighted significance of the currently held values while evaluating every progressive step we can take.

I don't believe an ideal world forces people to be nice. I believe an ideal world makes that the most compelling choice but allows people to be mean, disagreeable, etc. Friction produces great results, in many ways :) and I don't believe our best world is one without social friction.

We need to have hate speech rules as much as I believe it's a slippery slop. We need to have laws against obvious acts of prejudice but again, it's dangerous. We don't want the law written too ambiguously or we could potentially have you charged given your comments in this very thread. You haven't been very nice to many of us, because we simply disagree with you on Jordan Peterson.

I think of my group identities often when I go into my "stoned soliloquies" so I don't think they should be lost but they need to take a backseat to human identity and the individual. Those two must be protected at all costs, well at least for me - I'm a humanist and that's the distillation of how i understand Jordan Peterson's term "Cultural Marxism"

I've never studied German propaganda in the Nazi years, perhaps you have and could tell us what that word meant or connoted in their literature? If you have links, I'd be happy to read any papers, books or dissertations that discuss it's use. I'd like to see if there are interwoven strands of white supremacy in Jordan Peterson's logic. Thus far I haven't seen it.
 
UncleBuck

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Mary's Confidant said:
Cultural Marxism, as I understand it, is the pendulum swinging too forcefully to the left; it's the belief that group identity is the basis for understanding the world.
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nope

it's a nazi conspiracy theory that assigns blame to jews and demonizes other minority groups
 
Mary's Confidant

Mary's Confidant

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UncleBuck said:
nope

it's a nazi conspiracy theory that assigns blame to jews and demonizes other minority groups
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Assuming you read my entire post, that's the best you can give back? Please point me to where this can be found and then explain to me why Peterson uses the term but he's never suggested anything of the sort. From what I've seen thus far, I'd call this word appropriation. He saw the term and he used it.

And that specific term was never used by the Nazis from what I've seen. I think I found your little wiki reference where your cult gets it's tracts:

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism . <-- Uncle Buck's source of info

The Nazis labelled this modernism as "Cultural Bolshevism" and, through "Jewish Bolshevism", claimed that Jews were primarily behind Communism. In particular, they argued that Jews had orchestrated the Russian Revolution and were the main power behind Bolshevists.[7] This Jewish-led Bolshevist assault was described by Adolf Hitler as a disease that would weaken the Germans and leave them prey to the Jews, with Marxism being perceived as just another part of an "international Jewish conspiracy".[7] An ideological objective was thus the "purification" to eliminate alien influences and protect Germany's culture.[7]
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So now Cultural Bolshevism is the same as Cultural Marxism because....reasons?

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/cultural-marxism . <-- Here's another link with an actual history of the word and it's usage.

I tried to genuinely open up and discuss how I understood it and how Peterson promulgates it and you retorted with a half ass regurgitated argument? I was expecting more.
 
UncleBuck

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Mary's Confidant said:
Assuming you read my entire post, that's the best you can give back? Please point me to where this can be found and then explain to me why Peterson uses the term but he's never suggested anything of the sort. From what I've seen thus far, I'd call this word appropriation. He saw the term and he used it.

And that specific term was never used by the Nazis from what I've seen. I think I found your little wiki reference where your cult gets it's tracts:

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism . <-- Uncle Buck's source of info



So now Cultural Bolshevism is the same as Cultural Marxism because....reasons?

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/cultural-marxism . <-- Here's another link with an actual history of the word and it's usage.

I tried to genuinely open up and discuss how I understood it and how Peterson promulgates it and you retorted with a half ass regurgitated argument? I was expecting more.
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the nazis called it "judeo bolshevism" but it is the exact same conspiracy theory that assigns blame to jews and demonizes other minority groups du jour.

sweet citation from "knowyourmeme.com", you are truly an intellectual force
 
Mary's Confidant

Mary's Confidant

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UncleBuck said:
the nazis called it "judeo bolshevism" but it is the exact same conspiracy theory that assigns blame to jews and demonizes other minority groups du jour.

sweet citation from "knowyourmeme.com", you are truly an intellectual force
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I'm so confused on why you keep moving the goalpost and then ad hominem. What is "knowyourmeme"? I just googled 'Cultural Marxism history' and found the two links.

I'm still not seeing the connection? It says Cultural Marxism was never used by the Nazi's, since it was invented around 1973 and then was appropriated by various figures on the right. Couple that with Jordan Peterson never saying anything negative about Jews or other minorities.
 
Beefbisquit

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UncleBuck said:
jordan peterson says gay marriage is cultural marxism. what's up with that shit?
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"What's up with that shit?"

You're an idiot, and he didn't say that. That's what's up.

I don't agree with Jordan Peterson on his religious views or his stance on gay marriage, but he doesn't say gay marriage is cultural marxism. An Australian wrote to him and said the "yes" campaign was being run by Cultural Marxists, and that's why he didn't want to vote in favor. Peterson said something like, "I wouldn't want to vote for cultural marxists either." But then goes on to clarify his position regarding gay marriage as a whole. I don't agree with his stance on traditions.

Buck, you're so fucking hyperbolic you just make yourself look stupid. Is it that you just don't understand the words coming out of his mouth? Why do you have to make connections that aren't there? lol

Are you a conspiracy theorist? Or are you really that much of a professional victim? There's plenty of things that Jordan Peterson says that you can disagree with, you don't need to put words in his mouth and create vague conspiracy theories to artificially inflate your hand.
 
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