Beefbisquit
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It's easy to paint Peterson as far-right so you can dismiss his arguments without listening to what he says. It just happens to be intellectually dishonest.
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UncleBuck
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yes it was, they called it "judeo bolshevism"
he said people should be allowed to deny service to black people if they don't like black people and the cultural marxism he cries about is a conspiracy against jews and other minorities
UncleBuck
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he said gay marriage "satisfies the demand for an assault on the traditional modes of being"
who is demanding an assault on "traditional modes of being", beefcake?
UncleBuck
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"gay men tend to be more promiscuous than average"
got any numbers for that one?
how about his view that makeup is an invitation for sexual harassment, beefcake?
you're right, it is easy to paint peterson as hard-right. because he fucking is. why do you think he is adored by hard-right nazis, genius?
Mary's Confidant
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1. Do you talk past people on purpose? You really aren't helping connect the dots. Bolshevism and Marxism are related but not equivalent and the two terms, from my very narrow reading, or not synonymous. Why are they the same and why do you feel confident in making this claim? You feel strongly enough to be insistent on this issue, I imagine you've read up on this a great deal more than I have. Please enlighten me.
2. He did, then he thought through the question and his response and was led to the contradiction. He immediately recanted and admitted he was wrong.
Please answer my questions and I'll do my best to answer yours.
UncleBuck
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"cultural marxism" and "judeo bolshevism" are both offshoots of the same exact "frankfurt school" conspiracy theory
so jordan peterson said businesses should be allowed to deny service to black people if they don't like black people but you've never seen him say anything racist
ok
Heisenberg
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The bar for purity is such that it's not enough to simply oppose discrimination, it's set so that you can't say anything that SJWs can twist and misrepresent as discrimination. This will be done even if there is no logical connection between what you've said and how you've been represented. Obviously, the only way to do that is to keep silent about all issues. This is demonstrated by the fact that the only people not attacked by buck in this thread are the people who have not participated in it.
Even if you say something like "JP is full of bad arguments for stupid ideas" that isn't good enough. It will be ignored and instead the focus will be on who has liked your posts, because those likes taint the purity. This makes you every bit as terrible as someone who supports the extermination of a whole race of people. The solution is to say nothing at all, which is apparently what the SJW wants; to be the only voice that has anything to say.
Buck uses the lazy sophistry of Kellyanne Conway combined with the black-and-white conspiracy mentality of Sean Hannity to police a forum where he wants no one to be heard except himself. Obviously this is an unrealistic goal, so Buck has set himself up for a situation where he is perpetually frustrated and constantly striking out, and if he hits someone who doesn't deserve it, he convinces himself they actually do.
Just go back and look at his responses. They look as if he is trying to convince himself, not us. It's like a mantra he uses to keep his mind compartmentalized, he closes his eyes, clicks his heals together three times and says "they all hate Jews."
Meanwhile, a thread that has several times tried to be about the inane ramblings of a small minded and myopic conservative traditionalist has been hijacked to be about the mindless paranoia of a liberal snowflake who, ironically, keeps complaining that the thread is not about the things he keeps preventing it from being about.
But this too is a ruse. Buck is happy as long as the focus is on him. What's important to Buck is that his next response allow him to attack and degrade and prove to himself that he is justified to use the indignity and injustice of others to get his dick hard. Every response is designed to perpetuate the need for the next response. He doesn't care that he is his own worst enemy in the same way that you don't care that it's your own hand giving you a handjob when you jerk off. The orgasm he gets justifies the methods by which he gives himself orgasms. The rest of us are just unwitting porn tubes serving up the latest hot clips of the day.
Even if you say something like "JP is full of bad arguments for stupid ideas" that isn't good enough. It will be ignored and instead the focus will be on who has liked your posts, because those likes taint the purity. This makes you every bit as terrible as someone who supports the extermination of a whole race of people. The solution is to say nothing at all, which is apparently what the SJW wants; to be the only voice that has anything to say.
Buck uses the lazy sophistry of Kellyanne Conway combined with the black-and-white conspiracy mentality of Sean Hannity to police a forum where he wants no one to be heard except himself. Obviously this is an unrealistic goal, so Buck has set himself up for a situation where he is perpetually frustrated and constantly striking out, and if he hits someone who doesn't deserve it, he convinces himself they actually do.
Just go back and look at his responses. They look as if he is trying to convince himself, not us. It's like a mantra he uses to keep his mind compartmentalized, he closes his eyes, clicks his heals together three times and says "they all hate Jews."
Meanwhile, a thread that has several times tried to be about the inane ramblings of a small minded and myopic conservative traditionalist has been hijacked to be about the mindless paranoia of a liberal snowflake who, ironically, keeps complaining that the thread is not about the things he keeps preventing it from being about.
But this too is a ruse. Buck is happy as long as the focus is on him. What's important to Buck is that his next response allow him to attack and degrade and prove to himself that he is justified to use the indignity and injustice of others to get his dick hard. Every response is designed to perpetuate the need for the next response. He doesn't care that he is his own worst enemy in the same way that you don't care that it's your own hand giving you a handjob when you jerk off. The orgasm he gets justifies the methods by which he gives himself orgasms. The rest of us are just unwitting porn tubes serving up the latest hot clips of the day.
UncleBuck
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[nazi militias run down protesters in the streets as the president calls them "very fine people"]
heisenberg: i cannot believe that buck would stoop so low as to call these somewhat unpolished traditionalists "doo doo heads", furthermore (3 page rant ending in awkward masturbation analogy ensues)
dbkick
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Give it a rest you tool.
Mary's Confidant
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Again, moving the goal posts. I think Heisenberg profiled you fairly accurately. Every time I've tried to have conversation, you selectively quote my posts. You continue to say the same lines over and over because it's the only thing you are capable of putting out there.
You haven't honestly considered what Peterson says. Since you can't accept that Peterson admitted he was wrong on an interview and you only accept that he said people should be allowed to deny service I hope you carry that same criteria forward.
There are plenty of interviews where Hillary Clinton said she didn't believe homosexual couples should be able to get married. By your logic, she can't change course down the line (and her position was a heavily critiqued and thought out position). Peterson's response was off the cuff because he was trying to defend individual liberty over group protection.
But I'm sure #reasons explain why he's a Jew-hating, bigoted Nazi even though you still can't supply anything to substantiate that claim. You've posted your single point of evidence. In all the interviews Peterson has done and all the videos he's put out, you can't find more to show his mouth-foaming hatred?
Beefbisquit
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Hitler and Stalin both used numbers.
Buck knows how to count.
Therefore, Buck is a Communist Nazi.
Buck knows how to count.
Therefore, Buck is a Communist Nazi.
ginjawarrior
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oh i know this one... someone i know been telling me about this
is it....
is it a......
"nazi conspiracy"????
if i thought you be honest enough to read it id bother answering properly but as you shown with your answer to marys confident you have no intentions of honest discussion
Beefbisquit
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The term "cultural Marxism" has an academic usage within cultural studies, where it refers to a form of anti-capitalist cultural critique which specifically targets those aspects of culture that are seen as profit-driven and mass-produced under capitalism.[58][59][60][61][62] As an area of the Frankfurt School's discourse, "cultural Marxism" has commonly considered the industrialization and mass production of culture by the culture industry as having an overall negative effect on society, an effect which can mislead an audience away from perceiving a more authentic sense of human values.[63][59] British theorists such as Richard Hoggart of the Birmingham School developed a working class sense of "British Cultural Marxism" which objected to the "massification" and "drift" away from local cultures, a process of commercialization Hoggart saw as being enabled by tabloid newspapers, advertising, and the American film industry.[64]
Bugeye
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I like debates between smart people that are conducted with civility. Not something common in our politics anymore.
If I described a man as being provocative, indefatigable, manipulative, dishonest, egomaniacal, a game player, and a divider, would I be describing Trump, Buck, or both? Lol
If I described a man as being provocative, indefatigable, manipulative, dishonest, egomaniacal, a game player, and a divider, would I be describing Trump, Buck, or both? Lol
UncleBuck
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ginjawarrior
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dont forget you called everyone in this thread facists and "worse than nazi"
your idea of "truth" is somewhat lacking
