I need some help, COBs vs Boards etc...

nfhiggs

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Actually before I ordered on digi key I got a quote on arrow and they stayed the same for the 44"ersi just don't like the 2 months lead time lol.

Maybe they even misquoted me after requesting only 6 of the double rows?
I've never done a purchase through them on an out of stock item, So I have no idea how they would handle that. I did notice one day a couple of months back, the 4000K 22" strips were suddenly in stock again and I was able to grab a dozen of them at the minimum bulk price of $9.10, instead of the $15 they usually cost. I dunno if it was a special buy they were doing or just a glitch in their software.
 

samlant

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Arrow has them at $31.00 but out of stock... I'm still looking lol
Even though Arrow is out of stock, you may still order from them at those prices. I'm about to order some of their 2 footers, and i received an email quote from them with about an 8 week wait. Just wanted to let you know you have that option if your schedule is that flexible.

EDIT: Lol, caught up on the thread, i see now that you've made your purchase and also consulted arrow. You did fantastic!

May the Growth be with you!
 
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SexForBreakfast

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Even though Arrow is out of stock, you may still order from them at those prices. I'm about to order some of their 2 footers, and i received an email quote from them with about an 8 week wait. Just wanted to let you know you have that option if your schedule is that flexible.

EDIT: Lol, caught up on the thread, i see now that you've made your purchase and also consulted arrow. You did fantastic!

May the Growth be with you!
Haha thank you buddy. Be warned about arrow, after I got my quote I tried to order 2 Samsung strips (as a test) but they required I ordered a minimum of 100 units to get them at all. But I was trying to order the 4 footers too. Hopefully you won’t be required to make that big of a order :)
 

SexForBreakfast

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So I’m doing some research on wire gauge and it looks like 12 gauge might be the way to go, does this sound right? Can I get any 12 gauge?
 

nfhiggs

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So I’m doing some research on wire gauge and it looks like 12 gauge might be the way to go, does this sound right? Can I get any 12 gauge?
I would run either 14 or 12 gauge from the driver to a distribution bus/strip mounted on the fixture, then from the distribution bus you can run individual 18 gauge wires to each strip.

Like this:

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SexForBreakfast

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I would run either 14 or 12 gauge from the driver to a distribution bus/strip mounted on the fixture, then from the distribution bus you can run individual 18 gauge wires to each strip.

Like this:

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Would I buy the distribution bus for all 20 or would i run 2 separate ones? And as long as I'm using an aluminum frame that shouldn't be conductive beyond the bus right?

Thanks again man. I would've been a lost dog without you guys in this LED stuff.
 

nfhiggs

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Would I buy the distribution bus for all 20 or would i run 2 separate ones? And as long as I'm using an aluminum frame that shouldn't be conductive beyond the bus right?

Thanks again man. I would've been a lost dog without you guys in this LED stuff.
The ones like I used are hard plastic with the metal tabs embedded in it. None of the metal parts touch anything other than the wires you attach to them. The cool thing about these is that you can configure them however you like with the little jumpers. The ones I got have 8 separate connectors strips with two screw tabs on each. I configured mine for two sets of four connectors each, one set for the positive wires, one set for the negative wires. I just run the main wire from the power supply into one of the top screw tabs and the 18 gauge wires from the strips connect to the bottom tabs. You can connect several small wires to one screw tab.
 

SexForBreakfast

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The ones like I used are hard plastic with the metal tabs embedded in it. None of the metal parts touch anything other than the wires you attach to them. The cool thing about these is that you can configure them however you like with the little jumpers. The ones I got have 8 separate connectors strips with two screw tabs on each. I configured mine for two sets of four connectors each, one set for the positive wires, one set for the negative wires. I just run the main wire from the power supply into one of the top screw tabs and the 18 gauge wires from the strips connect to the bottom tabs. You can connect several small wires to one screw tab.
Thank you! I think you saved me a couple hours of soldering lol
 

nfhiggs

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Would something like this be safe to run all 20 on?
https://www.amazon.com/Jili-Online-Circuit-Terminal-Contacts/dp/B074NWMP4D/ref=sr_1_2?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1530601559&sr=8-2&keywords=electrical+bus+bar+10+junction&dpID=41yikxJJdHL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch
Also one thing that never even crossed my mind, what kinda canopy distance are you guys running that have eb2 strips? I keep reading 6” but it sounds so close! Lol
Yes, those will work fine - thats exactly like the one I used. You will need the jumpers that go from one contact to the next though - like these:
https://www.amazon.com/Position-Terminal-Postions-Insulated-Barrier/dp/B01DY73N2C/ref=sr_1_5?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1530640356&sr=1-5&keywords=barrier+strips
 

Chip Green

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Have no fear, hang within inches of the canopy if necessary. I've been less than 6" with some of the lower current panels.... I usually dial the size of the panel in to generate 45K LUX, at about 12"....This all has to do with canopy shape of course, but I basically built my lights to match my strain, and growing style....
 

1212ham

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Would something like this be safe to run all 20 on?
https://www.amazon.com/Jili-Online-Circuit-Terminal-Contacts/dp/B074NWMP4D/ref=sr_1_2?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1530601559&sr=8-2&keywords=electrical+bus+bar+10+junction&dpID=41yikxJJdHL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch
Also one thing that never even crossed my mind, what kinda canopy distance are you guys running that have eb2 strips? I keep reading 6” but it sounds so close! Lol
I'm at about 6" with EB's. With so many strips and wires, you might consider a terminal strip at each end of your EB strips, positive on one side of the fixture and neg. on the other. Some think it's cleaner wiring and it avoids the tinny voltage drop down the length of the strips.

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SexForBreakfast

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I'm at about 6" with EB's. With so many strips and wires, you might consider a terminal strip at each end of your EB strips, positive on one side of the fixture and neg. on the other. Some think it's cleaner wiring and it avoids the tinny voltage drop down the length of the strips.
I think that makes a lot of sense. Everything would be identical same jumpers ect just separate bus's correct?
 

1212ham

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I think that makes a lot of sense. Everything would be identical same jumpers ect just separate bus's correct?
Yeah, basically. I updated the picture to include the jumpers. I like it, but it's really a matter of preference. Actually, it doesn't avoid voltage drop in the strips, it just balances it from end to end.

A little tip, if you have 240VAC handy, the driver will be about 2% more efficient, plus less loss in the ac wiring.
 
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SexForBreakfast

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Yeah, basically. I updated the picture to include the jumpers. I like it, but it's really a matter of preference. Actually, it doesn't avoid voltage drop in the strips, it just balances it from end to end.

A little tip, if you have 240VAC handy, the driver will be about 2% more efficient, plus less loss in the ac wiring.
I have read that the eb2 strips are slightly prone to slight voltage loss, but it just seems like it would make for a better balance doing it your way (as you said)

I don't have a 240v outlet but ive converted outlets in the past so I could use washing machines, but this was 10 years ago lol. I suppose I could do that, probably will do it down the line though. Just don't wanna research another thing for a little while this LED stuff has my tiny brain hurting lol!
 
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