Switching to LED from HPS

Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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Chip Green said:
Name 1 more.....

I will, whilst equaling yield and quality of traditional lighting, for 40% less power consumption......
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What im writing is written here and on many sites, why i first started doubting leds before i decided to look further into the science, i notice the led gang still dont have an answer.

What exactly is your claim here, 40% less power would result in almost a easy third more yeild when watt for watt is taken into account. So for you your claims are leds grow one third more than hps.

So where are all these picture with a third extra yeild? Easy to see that hps out grows t5s by a small bit generally, how is it so hard for another light to prove such a big increase when its clear cfl is lesser than t5.

Led bullshit, carry on and ill just pick you apart and the rest of the site will see you have no clear answers back, your claims should be easily proved so ergo fail....
 
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growingforfun

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Kingrow1 said:
'Do leaves die in still air' beat all your leaves need wind comments a while back that anyone can scroll and read as proof...
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Plants dont die in lots of conditions, doesn't mean they are as healthy as possible. You called the wind making the plant stronger and better able to produce bud "wasted energy" that's pretty laughable honestly. Sounds like you must not do any training such as super cropping or topping because that's also wasted energy. Lol get a clue every decent grower uses fans then your over here saying fans are bad. Lol ok bro keep using hps an no fans while the rest of us move on to real lights an plants that can support buds
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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growingforfun said:
Plants dont die in lots of conditions, doesn't mean they are as healthy as possible. You called the wind making the plant stronger and better able to produce bud "wasted energy" that's pretty laughable honestly. Sounds like you must not do any training such as super cropping or topping because that's also wasted energy. Lol get a clue every decent grower uses fans then your over here saying fans are bad. Lol ok bro keep using hps an no fans while the rest of us move on to real lights an plants that can support buds
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Sorry to dissapoint but i have given wind speeds of 0.3/05 as per most studies.

You have a total lack of ability to go learn then come back, you like to argue, this why those with points and knowledge get brought down by less clever peeps.

None of this is some secret thats hard to find like im hiding somthing from you on google...!
 
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growingforfun

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Kingrow1 said:
Sorry to dissapoint but i have given wind speeds of 0.3/05 as per most studies.

You have a total lack of ability to go learn then come back, you like to argue, this why those with points and knowledge get brought down by less clever peeps.

None of this is some secret thats hard to find like im hiding somthing from you on google...!
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It's laughable bullshit to say plants dont like wind. And really funny. You literally said a 8 inch inline fan extracting air is detrimental to plant health. L o freaking L
 
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growingforfun

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You know that ancient aliens meme, ya everyone knows the one...

Well instead of that I just imagine kingrow1s avatar picture and "science" pretty spot on imo.
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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growingforfun said:
It's laughable bullshit to say plants dont like wind. And really funny. You literally said a 8 inch inline fan extracting air is detrimental to plant health. L o freaking L
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An inline dosent make wind but merely moves air, you are getting confused and your attitude is well wrong plus go check dont just spread bad info like what you were earlier expecting others not to spread.

Laughable, i said what i said and that is wind is unatural and gave clear tolerances, talk like a noobie considering all things...!
 
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growingforfun

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You literally said an 8 inch inline was too big and forced "bad transpiration" then you say wind is un-natural. I dunno man, based on what your saying here, and your pro hps attitude, making led look pretty good an like the smart choice ya know what I'm sayin?

Bout to start my first grow ever an I'm thinking about a Mars hydro 1000w yea buddy! Now if only I could find a good strain...
 
Chip Green

Chip Green

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Kingrow1 said:
So where are all these picture with a third extra yeild?
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I never said 1/3 extra yield, I said EQUAL yield with 40% less power consumed....
Take a given space, and with SOME types of the LED tech available, equal yield and quality can be achieved, with 40% less electricity....

To take a page from your book, this fact is being proved by others, who are FAR more experienced undoubtedly, smarter growers than I, so Ill once again defer to this:
Kingrow1 said:
the led gang still dont have an answer
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https://www.rollitup.org/t/from-des-to-leds.948046/page-16
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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Kingrow1 said:
An inline dosent make wind but merely moves air, you are getting confused and your attitude is well wrong plus go check dont just spread bad info like what you were earlier expecting others not to spread.

Laughable, i said what i said and that is wind is unatural and gave clear tolerances, talk like a noobie considering all things...!
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Wind is air that is moving....It is 100% natural......

LED's can in fact yield more with the same watts. That's been shown on here time and time again and makes perfect sense. You have less wasted Wats as you not heating a gas, therefore you can have more lights which increases canopy size. That's not rocket science.
 
Kushash

Kushash

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Speaking of Rocket Science. LED's are even replacing bottle rockets. Is there no end to what LED's can do!

Travis Air Force Base outside San Francisco, just an hour south of the Yolo and Napa county fires forcing evacuations, is trying an Intel drone show this year. Aspen, Colorado, and towns in Arizona – which had shelved fireworks shows because of fire risk – are also experimenting with drone shows.
These displays have wowed viewers with their animated displays of hundreds of tiny, LED-sporting drones.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2018/07/03/drones-replace-july-4th-fireworks-western-towns-worried-wildfires/752966002/
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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I think ive read this thread but cant be sure as my phone refuses pic heavy stuff so will check it tomorrow.

We have an impass, lets solve it :-)

Chip Green said:
I never said 1/3 extra yield, I said EQUAL yield with 40% less power consumed....
Take a given space, and with SOME types of the LED tech available, equal yield and quality can be achieved, with 40% less electricity....

To take a page from your book, this fact is being proved by others, who are FAR more experienced undoubtedly, smarter growers than I, so Ill once again defer to this:

https://www.rollitup.org/t/from-des-to-leds.948046/page-16
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Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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Lucky Luke said:
Wind is air that is moving....It is 100% natural......

LED's can in fact yield more with the same watts. That's been shown on here time and time again and makes perfect sense. You have less wasted Wats as you not heating a gas, therefore you can have more lights which increases canopy size. That's not rocket science.
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Im not sure wind really defines air movement as well as im suggesting. In boundary layer principle the difference from 0.1m/s and 0.3m/s is massive in terms of leaf cooling strategy but at 0.5m/s we invoke the leaf into forced and not free cooling.

Wind blah blah blah, 0.3m/s is barely perceptable to humans yet within this minute range lies more science than i see here collectively.

You want to bring me up on my factual info then thats cool cause i was talking what you are now years ago and found it gave me no clear guidelines on wind and air movement.

Now my extraction on low gives me 0.3m/s easily with barely a rustle of leaf, knowing this means im set, no wind needed and exact environments.

This isnt the point but was in reference to the member who said he hated wrong info being posted and then went on yo say wind is good.

Futher to this why not check out why crops bunch together and trees to dampen wind, even the studies of how leaves cool in stagnant wind, sealed tents fed only co2 no air novement.

All under leaf energy budgets, forced and free leaf cooling, stagnant air leaf cooling etc etc.

Info here is so outdated you couldnt give me a exact wind speed, i studied the science and found tech pro college growers had a way better understanding.

What can i do, not learn...
 
Kingrow1

Kingrow1

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Kushash said:
Speaking of Rocket Science. LED's are even replacing bottle rockets. Is there no end to what LED's can do!

Travis Air Force Base outside San Francisco, just an hour south of the Yolo and Napa county fires forcing evacuations, is trying an Intel drone show this year. Aspen, Colorado, and towns in Arizona – which had shelved fireworks shows because of fire risk – are also experimenting with drone shows.
These displays have wowed viewers with their animated displays of hundreds of tiny, LED-sporting drones.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2018/07/03/drones-replace-july-4th-fireworks-western-towns-worried-wildfires/752966002/
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Nothing beats good old gunpoweder, maybe napalm, id go to a napalm display :-)
 
Chip Green

Chip Green

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Do not mistake me for one of the HPS haters, HPS has been the gold standard for indoor horticulture for many decades, for the simple fact that it kicks serious ass....I would never dispute that, CMH as well, in fact I own a 315 that I veg with in one of my areas.....

I will however, dispute any grower who has claims that LED technology does not exist, that can produce the same results, with considerably less energy consumed..... because it does.
 
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