New run - Black Gorilla
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Randomblame
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I like vegging with 3000°k, seedlings almost look like grown naturally under strong sunlight. Nodal spacing is not as small as with 4000 or 5000°k, but you still get early branching.
Growth rates are also very good, IMO no disadvantage to colder spectra.
Good luck! All three looks good and homogeneous for F2 seeds, hope you'll find your keeper!
I like vegging with 3000°k, seedlings almost look like grown naturally under strong sunlight. Nodal spacing is not as small as with 4000 or 5000°k, but you still get early branching.
Growth rates are also very good, IMO no disadvantage to colder spectra.
Good luck! All three looks good and homogeneous for F2 seeds, hope you'll find your keeper!
nfhiggs
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Yeah, there was one I really liked from the solo cup I did. It spread out all on its own into a perfect flat canopy, with one center cola and four outer colas - it was beautiful. I tried to clone it but it never took. For some reason my clones have just not been rooting lately.
nfhiggs
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These guys are not stretching a bit. they are staying nice and tight so far.
growingforfun
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What's your method? I've got nearly 100% success an can share my style if you want. It's pretty old school.
nfhiggs
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I just use a seedling tray, jiffy peat cubes and a dome - I cut them, dip in IBA rooting juice (dip n grow brand). For a year and a half I never had issues at all. Only lost one or two to mites. Now I just can't seem to get them to root. They look fine for the first 5 days or so and then the stems just turn soft and mushy.
growingforfun
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Are you letting them sit in water at some point? If not then give that a shot. I have about 75%-90% in trays like that. Basically I just cut my shorts and stick em in water to sit an keep shoving my cuts in the cup till I have around 50 in a solo cup full of water, by this time I'll typically want to fuck off for 20 min so I do. Then I'll get back to work. I dont like the jiffy cubes much so when I use trays I just fill it with my high quality potting mix out of the bag. Its listed as excellent for seeds and all stages of growth, and it is. Its comparable to happy frog but it isnt.
I do not use any cloning solutions or powders, I honestly have better rates without it.. I just use a cut branch discarded from earlier to make holes, put my cuts in there, firmly pack my soil around em, an put the lid on. 2 weeks or so later the roots are fully going.
Better rates, very near 100% doing the same in solo cups with holes in the bottom, then a solo cup below without holes, an ziplock bag between. Bottom cup holds the plastic in place. Exhale into the bag to puff it up an fill with co2 right as you seal it. After a week flip the bag or replace it with a new one if you want.
I used to do great with a ez cloner but started to hate the water, noise, and issues that would happen sometimes where the whole lot would get root issues and lead to a failed clone run... then my cycle is fucked up. Anyways.. our style is very close already but just make sure your letting the water soak step happen an consider replacing the peat cubes with high quality seedling potting soil.
nfhiggs
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Yeah, I'll try the soak. Do you use just plain tap water? Do you PH adjust it? Last year I stuck a couple of cuttings right into .5 liter water bottles and they rooted - I had micro DWC grow going! Its just irritating that now nothing seems to want to root when I haven't changed what I was doing.
I've got some Vermisoil potting soil I can use instead of the jiffy cubes. Maybe I'll try that and a few weeks when my seedlings get bigger.
growingforfun
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Just tap water. I used to try hard with RO, or even as far as bottled water. Thats a waste of time and money.
growingforfun
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The soak is extremely important. In any style of cloning you "must" let them sit in water for a few minutes at least. If you dont air can get up there and the plant will fail to draw water properly, leading to the rot your seeing.
Granted that must is is air quotes. It's important though in my experiance.
Granted that must is is air quotes. It's important though in my experiance.
Randomblame
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For me buffered cocos works much better then peat moss. It's often the cheapest quality in these Jiffy's.(PH <5, soaked with tap water PH8 )
And to let them soak up some water is an important step. You should only skip that step when you use something like a bubble cloner, where clones are directly sit in water for the first few days. Air inside the stem is like a death sentence. For this reason you should always cut just below a node(~10mm) as the knots can prevent the air from rising further up. But it's always better to have no air inside which could affect the osmotic processes.
Tap water is okay if you let it stand for a few days so that chlorides/flourides go away. But depending on medium I would adjust the PH.
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growingforfun
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This is pretty much forum bullshit. I've never had any issues with tap water and I never "let it stand for a few days" the biggest differance is that with tap water you wont need calmag.
Think about it... letting the chlorine evaporate? While at the same time it's common advice to add bleach to your hydro rez.
Randomblame
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Depends on your tap water.. if you not need it, fine!
And a common advice...? I would not use bleach anyway!
There are better ways to keep your res clean. BactorrS13 for instance or any other nitrid loving bacteria from aquaristics.
Do not start to play again because others disagree with you. Several ways leads to rome!
And a common advice...? I would not use bleach anyway!
There are better ways to keep your res clean. BactorrS13 for instance or any other nitrid loving bacteria from aquaristics.
Do not start to play again because others disagree with you. Several ways leads to rome!
growingforfun
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Didn't say it was the best way.. but if you spend any time here you'll see it is common advice..
And it is bullshit forum advice to say tap water has to sit out. Period. I dont care who comes an disagrees, I'm sure they will because as I said, it's common forum bullshit. Bullshit parroted here commonly. But guess what... anyone I have ever met doing a full size grow uses tap water. I dont care what a bunch of people doing closet grows think.
Randomblame
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Again depends on your tap water! Do a test yourself. My tap water is 0,8ec/ph8,5 when measured directly and only 0,5mS/ph8 3 or 4 days later. Strange? It's town water..
You can download a water quality test from your water supplier. There is much more in it than just calcium and magnesium ... including hormones from anti-baby pills and other unwanted things that can evaporate in the best case.
You can download a water quality test from your water supplier. There is much more in it than just calcium and magnesium ... including hormones from anti-baby pills and other unwanted things that can evaporate in the best case.
wietefras
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Isn't that some sort of rot? Perhaps disinfect your utensils and maybe even the water.
Although I've only seen that in a bubble cloner. I tend to add some chlorine (swimming pool tablets) to the water of the bubble cloner. When I don't disinfect then sometimes the whole batch turns to mushy stems. Can still add some chlorine after that and they will usually pull through anyway, but I rather get it right the first time.
WeedSexWeightsShakes
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I think the most important thing in cloning is temp and humidity. I have put my clones straight into coco and had them root. I’m talking like 80 humidity and 80 temp work well for me.
Frank Nitty
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What medium are you growing in
nfhiggs
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I tend to agree regarding chlorine and chloramine - they simply aren't the boogy man people make them out to be.