Looking for a confidant now that we've legalized medical in Oklahoma

IIReignManII

IIReignManII

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I spent a lot of time learning about growing around 2011, but I eventually gave it up feeling like it would never happen...but the time is now. I'm diving back into the books and getting ready for my first grow here within the next few months. I don't personally have any friends or anyone to talk to that know about this stuff or care to learn about it so it would be really cool to connect with someone on here that enjoys talking and teaching about this kind of stuff. I'm going to be growing to provide for my family and close circle of friends and want to shock them with quality. Let me know if you're interested in being my dank confidant :)
 
IIReignManII

IIReignManII

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The main area I feel like I'm lacking knowledge is like the science behind soil and nutrients and some odds and ends with grow room construction. I'd like to run two tents, one to veg and keep my mothers and the other to flower of course. I don't have a set budget really, but lets say around $1000. Main issues I've been tossing around is LED to save power and temperature vs HPS/MH, going SOG vs ScROG, organic vs non-organic, and air flow/climate control.
 
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Nummingtons

Nummingtons

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Okay the one area I will not be able to help you with is LED lights I have never ran them, and I don't like to bull shit people, if I haven't done it I don't comment on it. I will say this no mater what anyone tells you there is no saving on power. This is what I mean, if you use HPS, CFL, LED, MH, or magic glowing unicorn horns, a watt is a watt is a watt. Your plants will need at least 50 watts per square foot if you want to produce quality. So here is some general rules for light sources, 50 to 100 watt per square foot or at least 2000 lumen per square foot. I would suggest closer to 5000 lumen per square foot. Anything over 7500 lumen is a waist and can damage plants unless you run co2, which you don't need to do. These rules will apply to any type of light source you choose to use. If you are using enough power you will have to deal with heat any way you cut it. Heat can be handled with ventilation and ac units if necessary. In so far as nutes do not let the folks on here or at your local hydro store talk you into using a million different types of nutes. Remember hydro stores make money every time they convince you that you need such and such to grow great weed. In so far as the folks on hear, remember nute reps go to all of these web sites in order to promote their product, the rest are folks that truly believe that their recipe works and it damn well may, but the folks using crazy recipes have been doing this for awhile and have spent lots of time and money figuring out their magic potion. That being said I would suggest the Lucas Formula look it up there is about a million websites out there outlining how it works. I used it for years and got paid well while doing so. It is simple and cheap and very effective, basically perfect for a new grower. I would through screen of green right out the window, it is fun and it is great for a hobby grower and yes it will give you big yield off of one plant, but remember you have to veg that one plant for a very long time. In so far as sea of green it is a good method I have done it and have had a few friends that have done it and been successful. That being said remember you have to buy all of those clones to get started or grow a mother then cut your own. Most guys running sea are at anywhere from 20 to 30 plants in a 4x4 space. the other issue is that you have to water those little fuckers all the god damn time because they are in 1 gallon pots. The benefit of SOG is that there is no vegging you go straight into flower, okay maybe you veg a week. I would say just do the old school veg until they are about three foot tall, top them a few times along the way and put them in flower. Now on to soil and why you shouldn't use is lol. Soil works fine I have used it many times but do not get into hot soil or expensive soil at all for that matter, black gold works just fine. But in all reality if I was you I would use coco cor. The reason I say this is that it is just like growing in soil, you can top water it just like soil. Technically it is hydro because you are providing all the nutes in the water. I would do anywhere from 70/30 to 80/20 coco perlite mix this will allow a little extra air to get to your roots, roots like a little air. But if you don't want to do that go with straight coco. Now when using coco with the Lucas formula you will need to add some cal mag to your nutes because coco wont provide anything to your plant. Here is a link that will explain everything you need to know about the Lucas formula https://growguru.co.za/blogs/hydroponic/hydroponics-using-lucas-formula. To address the last question you had regarding climate control, there is a lot of ways to do this. Like I mentioned earlier you can use A.C systems, you may need a dehumidifier, and you can control both by venting your tent and allowing outside air in. Some folks are going to tell you that if you allow too much air in you will get your plants sick and yes this is an issue but it is cheap and keeps the plants cool. I will leave that all up to you, but I will say this do not let your plants get hotter than 85 and that is the high end. Okay I think we hit it all but if there is one thing I can leave you with it is KEEP IT SIMPLE. People start out simple and grow great weed I see it all the time then they get confident and want to push to quote that next level, before they know it their plants are all fucked up. The best farmers I know keep it simple they have a formula that works and they stick to it. Alright all that being said get ready for every fucker on here to tell you every thing I say is stupid lol hell they may be right!
 
IIReignManII

IIReignManII

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Thanks for the reply man! One of my main issues is I have a cousin off in Washington whos trying to bang it in my head that you cant use chemical nutes, you gotta be all organic, everything has to be OMRI listed, tea brews and shit, and hes really heavy handed with the shit and I just don't think I'm ready for that yet. I'm on my way, I've been reading the book Teaming with Microbes then I will move to other soil biology books because I do want to know all that science behind soil biology but man right now I just want to grow some fucking HEAT you feel me lmao in the past I always planed on doing the Fox Farm schedule or something since thats what was super popular around 2010-2011 when I dove deep into the stuff for a bit. I'm definitely wanting to keep everything as simple. I don't have any moral objection to chemical nutes but I'd also prefer to have my weed be as clean as possible and I know a lot of people argue with a proper flush theres no issue with non-organic nutes.

I planned on installing like a typical window mount AC to blow directly inside the tent for temperature control. If I'm pulling hot air out thu a carbon filter and let the ac bring in cool air if that was enough of if I needed to add another inline fan bringing in new air as well. I'm in Oklahoma so I don't think I will ever have any humidity issues really? Its much more humid here than like California or Arizona but not as humid as swampy area like Florida and other areas. Year round it averaged between 51-71% in winter and 44-80% in summer
 
WeedFreak78

WeedFreak78

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There's other forum areas for these questions.

But...
Watts doesn't mean shit. As the lights become more efficient you get more light/watt. I'm all HID, but i want to change one of my tents over to LED if/ when one of my ballasts die.

Pick either organic, or chemical, and stick to it. I always recommend organic soil, fish fert and tap water for beginners, fucking simple. Teas are easy, put stuff in a bucket with water, aerate for around 24 hrs, apply.

A fan for lights and a fan for the tents themselves, both on speed controllers. Have your intake low, exhaust high. Couple clip on fans in each tent. Depending on your geographical location and location of the grow in your home, you might need additional climate controls. The plants will make the humidity if you dont have it, they raised my ambient RH in my basement from low 50% to mid 70%, i had to get a dehumidifier, hadn't needed one down there for 20+ years.

Scrog takes awhile. SOG doesn't need to constantly be watered of you're smart. Put a kiddie pool in the tent, or the smart pot raised garden bags, instead of individual pots, could even leave it there and go no till.

Don't sweat temp, my tents have hit 95 in the past and although there might be a slight decrease in overall quality, a loss of some terpens and buds tend to get fluffy, it still tastes good and gets everyone high. It's just not the rock hard, stanky bud you get with optimal conditions. I'm personal, so whateva.

Read my sig on flushing....
 
Nummingtons

Nummingtons

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I'm not a fan of organic growing, its nice for hippies and all but in so far as it being effective, especially for a new grower, is poppycock! I'm not saying it is not possible to grow good weed organically, but it takes much more time and expertise to do so and for a new guy that is not the way to start. Most organic growers do it because they believe that it is healthier for them mean while when they are out of weed they go straight to the shop and buy. Guess what not a god damn strain in a medical shop is grown organically. Okay that's a lie maybe one will be and it usually sits on a mid to low shelf. Why is that? Well its because it is fucking hard to grow what people consider bomb ass weed with organics.

I like your ideas on ventilation they are spot on.

The kid pool idea is basically describing a bad auto pot set up, much better ways to do this. In so far as smart pot raised garden bags sure that will work, and if one of your plants get sick at the root level, then guess what all of your plants get sick because they are all sharing the same pot. This is why you don't plant weed in shared containers. If you plant your weed in separate containers and one gets sick you can quarantine it, nurse it back to health, and or simply get rid of it.

If you remember his original post he stated he wanted to grow quality, a room at 95 degrees will produce airy bud and also reduce yield.

I also agree that there is a better place to post this sort of question.

In so far as watts you are right in that watt does matter less when growing with LED however it still matters. When growing with any other light source watts and lumen are king. I don't care if you are growing weed or tomatoes there is a reason why there is a rule of thumb when it comes to how much power you must deliver to grow. Oh yeah and before you bring it up to try and sound special everyone knows about lux and there is no need to go into it, because if he follows the rules I mentioned and uses the right spectrum of light his lux will be just fine.

Not trying to be a dick man I'm really not, but I watch new growers get on here all the time and get their heads filled with all kinds of fantastic ideas. Then they go to execute and end up with a heaping pile of shit. I have also seen many new growers do really well because they have kept it simple, then after a harvest or two they start trying to push it to what they think is the next level only to fry the shit out of their plants. I have found that if you keep your methods simple and stick to a few basic rules that are time tested you will produce great weed. Basically keep enough light on your plants, stop keeping the hydro shops in business with unneeded nutes, keep your room vented properly, keep heat and humidity under control, keep PH correct for you median, spray for pests whether you have them or not, and guess what you get good weed.

ps. I forgot to tell you that about PH in my comment earlier so let me know what median you are growing in and I will fill you in on that.
 
IIReignManII

IIReignManII

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WeedFreak78 said:
There's other forum areas for these questions.

But...
Watts doesn't mean shit. As the lights become more efficient you get more light/watt. I'm all HID, but i want to change one of my tents over to LED if/ when one of my ballasts die.

Pick either organic, or chemical, and stick to it. I always recommend organic soil, fish fert and tap water for beginners, fucking simple. Teas are easy, put stuff in a bucket with water, aerate for around 24 hrs, apply.

A fan for lights and a fan for the tents themselves, both on speed controllers. Have your intake low, exhaust high. Couple clip on fans in each tent. Depending on your geographical location and location of the grow in your home, you might need additional climate controls. The plants will make the humidity if you dont have it, they raised my ambient RH in my basement from low 50% to mid 70%, i had to get a dehumidifier, hadn't needed one down there for 20+ years.

Scrog takes awhile. SOG doesn't need to constantly be watered of you're smart. Put a kiddie pool in the tent, or the smart pot raised garden bags, instead of individual pots, could even leave it there and go no till.

Don't sweat temp, my tents have hit 95 in the past and although there might be a slight decrease in overall quality, a loss of some terpens and buds tend to get fluffy, it still tastes good and gets everyone high. It's just not the rock hard, stanky bud you get with optimal conditions. I'm personal, so whateva.

Read my sig on flushing....
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Yeah the main point of the post was to try to find someone I could talk to regularly outside the post. Thank you for the reply and information sir!
 
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SSHZ

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First off, it's important to understand everyone has an opinion so you'll hear from 10 people and all will have a different method, a different suggestion and different preferences. No book or video or website will teach you what you need to know- but I'm not saying it's not a good place to start. RIU is PROBABLY not the ideal place to look for help, as you might know already.

If you read thru many of my threads, I've tried to lay out a simply way to get very good results- do your homework.

Lastly, people who fail often don't put foward the necessary funds to start up correctly. Depending on either your space or desired yield, buy strong lights but account for a method to exhaust heat. Buy the necessary meters- pH and ppm dual meter but higher quality is very important. Be pro-active for bugs, mites, mold, etc.- look at PureCrop1 which is getting a lot of buzz lately but it's expensive. There are plenty of commercial fertilizers that do the trick, everyone has a favorite. And seeds.....well, genetics is probably the most important thing of all. Don't think you're going to get high quality weed from most of these crappy European breeders- buy American. This is probably the place most beginners go wrong- i.e. first time growers buying and growing a long season sativa that grows talls and lanky, with a 12 week flowering time- just setting you up for failure.
 
WeedFreak78

WeedFreak78

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L.O. fucking L at organics being difficult. You throw dead shit in a pot and let the micro organisms break it down for your plants in a symbiotic relationship. Maybe mix up some fish fert once a week. Ph? what's that?

Or, every few days you can mix multiple nutes, adjusting strength accounting for the plants age, cycle, deficiencies/ surpluses and checking and adjusting ph based on cycle and existing root zone ph. I did hydro exclusively when I started indoors, there's a huge learning curve and I'm no fucking dummy. I'm all "organic" soil now and I'll never go back. Cloning the same strains for years now, minimal, if any, loss in yield, more complex tastesand aromas in soil.

I've never had a plant get sick, so I dont worry about common planting. Separate pots won't stop most insects, so moot point there. Having the proper environment is key to EVERYTHING. I'll be going no till beds next year once my soil builds up a little more...
 
Nummingtons

Nummingtons

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I think you and I have a very different idea of what good weed is, as well as what a good yield is.

Apparently you didn't read the part where I said at the root level. Also if you are paying attention to your plants daily like you should be, if you are a good grower, you absolutely can catch bugs on just one plant and get that fucker out of there.

You again didn't pay any attention to the method that I recommended for the guy which was the Lucas formula which requires anywhere from one to three nutes depending on what median you are growing in. Its this simple buy some black gold organic potting soil, put a plant in it, feed it 8ml of Flora Nova and a few drops of super thrive and correct PH boom done lol. Oh but wait when the plants are babies you are right you will need to cut down on the Nova until they get mature enough to handle a full dose wowie that is difficult.

I also like how you left the part out where in super soil which is what you are describing you have to mix a shit ton of what you call dead shit in a bucket cover it and let it compost for anywhere from weeks to months. Who the fuck has time for that bull shit ill tell you who hobby growers, and at the end you know what you get unless you are a bad ass with it mid shelf weed that you think tastes better cause you didn't use salt base nutes lmao.


I find myself agreeing with you on one point and that is that your environment is a huge part of growing good weed.

Look dude I'm not saying you don't know what you are doing. It sounds like you have a method that works for you and you seem to enjoy the results and that's all that really matters. Again I'm trying to give the guy a solid base to work from that wont break his wallet or lead to disappointment.
 
dannyboy602

dannyboy602

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IIReignManII said:
I spent a lot of time learning about growing around 2011, but I eventually gave it up feeling like it would never happen...but the time is now. I'm diving back into the books and getting ready for my first grow here within the next few months. I don't personally have any friends or anyone to talk to that know about this stuff or care to learn about it so it would be really cool to connect with someone on here that enjoys talking and teaching about this kind of stuff. I'm going to be growing to provide for my family and close circle of friends and want to shock them with quality. Let me know if you're interested in being my dank confidant :)
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What do I get if I share my knowledge?
 
charface

charface

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Nummingtons said:
I'm not a fan of organic growing, its nice for hippies and all but in so far as it being effective, especially for a new grower, is poppycock! I'm not saying it is not possible to grow good weed organically, but it takes much more time and expertise to do so and for a new guy that is not the way to start. Most organic growers do it because they believe that it is healthier for them mean while when they are out of weed they go straight to the shop and buy. Guess what not a god damn strain in a medical shop is grown organically. Okay that's a lie maybe one will be and it usually sits on a mid to low shelf. Why is that? Well its because it is fucking hard to grow what people consider bomb ass weed with organics.

I like your ideas on ventilation they are spot on.

The kid pool idea is basically describing a bad auto pot set up, much better ways to do this. In so far as smart pot raised garden bags sure that will work, and if one of your plants get sick at the root level, then guess what all of your plants get sick because they are all sharing the same pot. This is why you don't plant weed in shared containers. If you plant your weed in separate containers and one gets sick you can quarantine it, nurse it back to health, and or simply get rid of it.

If you remember his original post he stated he wanted to grow quality, a room at 95 degrees will produce airy bud and also reduce yield.

I also agree that there is a better place to post this sort of question.

In so far as watts you are right in that watt does matter less when growing with LED however it still matters. When growing with any other light source watts and lumen are king. I don't care if you are growing weed or tomatoes there is a reason why there is a rule of thumb when it comes to how much power you must deliver to grow. Oh yeah and before you bring it up to try and sound special everyone knows about lux and there is no need to go into it, because if he follows the rules I mentioned and uses the right spectrum of light his lux will be just fine.

Not trying to be a dick man I'm really not, but I watch new growers get on here all the time and get their heads filled with all kinds of fantastic ideas. Then they go to execute and end up with a heaping pile of shit. I have also seen many new growers do really well because they have kept it simple, then after a harvest or two they start trying to push it to what they think is the next level only to fry the shit out of their plants. I have found that if you keep your methods simple and stick to a few basic rules that are time tested you will produce great weed. Basically keep enough light on your plants, stop keeping the hydro shops in business with unneeded nutes, keep your room vented properly, keep heat and humidity under control, keep PH correct for you median, spray for pests whether you have them or not, and guess what you get good weed.

ps. I forgot to tell you that about PH in my comment earlier so let me know what median you are growing in and I will fill you in on that.
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Organic need not be complicated.
Buy some organic soil and top dress every couple weeks once feeding is required.

Buy a bag of soil
Perlite
Premixed dry amendments

It hardly gets easier than that.

You dont have to run microbial tea but it is just as easy.
 
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