Dude, I didn't see you say anything that would have been seen as an insult... Maybe this goes beyond you and this was the match that lit the fire... Im sure you guys will work it out,you took steps to fix it, now its in his court...@Frank Nitty
Did I maybe misinterpret something you guys see that I might have misunderstood? If I misunderstood what he was trying to say and went overboard, then I am legitimately sorry and accept the blame for it in full. I just legitimately felt like he might have been acting passive aggressive with me, and I couldn’t even begin to think of why. I’m not trying to needlessly act like a douchebag to someone who isn’t instigating or being provocational, I’m just trying to reinforce a line of respect I think everyone should have for each other.
I follow an escalation of force, doing my best at sensing and confirming whether someone is attempting to escalate a situation, or respond properly to my attempts at deescalation. I haven’t always been right, but sometimes it’s better safe than sorry. I’m sure I have hell to pay for it yet, but if I’m trying to deescalate and be cool, anyone involved should be doing that as well, not cranking shit up to the max. I don’t want to have to go to that extreme over petty bullshit either.
Just making sure, because I’m probably just as confused. I hope he figures it out, in any case. Maybe he’s got a vendetta against GrowersLights or something. Hell if I know.Dude, I didn't see you say anything that would have been seen as an insult... Maybe this goes beyond you and this was the match that lit the fire... Im sure you guys will work it out,you took steps to fix it, now its in his court...
Some people are just like that.Just making sure, because I’m probably just as confused. I hope he figures it out, in any case. Maybe he’s got a vebdetta against GrowersLights or something. Hell if I know.
Four of those would probably rock a 4x4 tent hard.I paid $180 something for a hlg qb 288 135w kit and got 5oz off 3 plants my first grow with the 288... Now on 2nd grow with it... Its awesome!!! View attachment 4172317
I'm sure they would!!!Four of those would probably rock a 4x4 tent hard.
First lets start with this...."Physics 101 for dumbasses"A watt is a watt 600w will produce the same amount of heat no matter what the source is. If you get a genuine quantum board hlg will replace anything that's breaks saving you that $15-$30.
Good advice...I have a 315 CMH and a QB135 and a vero 2VL. All of them are fantastic. That QB is shockingly good and is perfect for my little tent (5 square feet). The 315 and 200 vero will run together in my 4 x 4 next round (2 sour diesel and 2 critical mass). I might put the QB in there too if i can manage the temp right. All 3 are good choices for lighting but get some good uv shades to protect your eyes.
I try to get it, but for some reason I don't... If you show it to me and how to do it, I can do that, but explaining it to me and I can't see it ,im lost... Does that make sense to you???I try to explain how efficiency is a real thing that can be measured, when talking to some grow bros, and they don’t have the surrounding framework of knowledge to comprehend it...most folks seem to fall into two groups, the sort who does their own research with specific intent to gain understanding, and the sort who relies on hearsay, in my experience. You can’t fix someone else’s lack of curiosity, but you can laugh at them. Cheers.
This one if you live in the USWhat would be a ideal led setup for a 2x4x7ft on a 350 dollar budget?, I would be using the same lights for veg and flower, I just don't know what color temp I should run for a full cycle . And how much can I roughly expect to get out of two or three plants in this little space?
Wasn’t targeting you, Frank, but let’s see if I can help using sort of simple language. Not to be condescending, but for clarity of ideas, because this is how it clicked for me. Ultimately you don’t need to understand how it is calculated, just accept that the numbers are based on real physical measurements of actual stuff that exists. It isn’t some LED marketing scam, it’s seems like you are on board with that much, since you run Quantum Boards. I love growing wih HPS, for the record, but modern LED fixtures are inarguably more efficient, and they grow plenty of dank, I am really anxious to upgrade soon, but I have digressed...I try to get it, but for some reason I don't... If you show it to me and how to do it, I can do that, but explaining it to me and I can't see it ,im lost... Does that make sense to you???
That was beautiful... And so easy to understand... Thank you for the educational seminar and taking the time to explain this to me... Seriously... Knowing all of that is good to know if I was really worried about it (not being funny), but I just want the best product for the job, correct? Thanks again for educating a dummy!!!Wasn’t targeting you, Frank, but let’s see if I can help using sort of simple language. Not to be condescending, but for clarity of ideas, because this is how it clicked for me. Ultimately you don’t need to understand how it is calculated, just accept that the numbers are based on real physical measurements of actual stuff that exists. It isn’t some LED marketing scam, it’s seems like you are on board with that much, at least. I love growing wih HPS, for the record, but modern LED fixtures are inarguably more efficient, and they grow plenty of dank, I am really anxious to upgrade soon, but I have digressed...
Joules (the physical, as in physics, unit of measure for energy) of energy, in the form of AC electricity are delivered from the wall socket to the driver, where some energy is lost in the inversion process to DC, this is how we get the driver’s efficiency rating, and the lost energy is released as heat, always. Forget about that for now, the good drivers are really efficient these days. The critical first thing to understand is lamp efficiency. This is what the big deal about LEDs is, converting more electricity into light, rather than heat.
Energy delivered to a lamp (the actual bulb or LED) is always released as one of two things:
The atomic weight of the photons is measured in micromoles (umol) over a time period, and then divided by the number of joules not lost as heat (more on that later) to find how many micromoles of photons are generated per 1 joule of energy delivered to the lamp. More umol of photons means greater efficiency, and therefore less wasted energy released as heat. The efficiency rating is the percentage of that energy that is converted into photons, calculated by subtracting the energy value, in joules, of the photons released by the lamp from the total joules delivered from the driver to the lamp. If we say a lamp is 60% efficient that means 40% of the energy consumed by the lamp is essentially wasted, as heat (often measured in British Thermal Units (BTUs) and converted to Joules. 1 BTU = about 1055 joules), and the rest is made of delicious photons.
- Photons
- Heat
The layperson’s measurement of lumens is actually useful, in this regard, for understanding the relative efficiency of the lamps. Lumens per watt is a pretty useful thing for rule-of-thumb, and people in the commercial lighting business use it to communicate efficiency ratings to their customers. Anything over 150 lumens per watt is pretty sick, and a lot of lamps nowadays can run right near 200 lumens per watt, which is pretty mind blowing, to me. Hooray for science and technology!
I like how you think! I wish I could keep it simple, but my brain must dance. I am a little insane in that things like math and statistics help me relax.That was beautiful... And so easy to understand... Thank you for the educational seminar and taking the time to explain this to me... Seriously... Knowing all of that is good to know if I was really worried about it (not being funny), but I just want the best product for the job, correct? Thanks again for educating a dummy!!!
When you know what you're talking about the words are easy... I know how to make all of this work,but I can't explain in an educated way WHY it works like you just did for me... That's why when someone asks me a question, I send them to someone more knowledgeable than me...I like how you think! I wish I could keep it simple, but my brain must dance. I am a little insane in that things like math and statistics help me relax.
You are right, chase the best product for the money or the absolute best, depending on your goals and means, the rest is very much academic and not of any practical use for hobbyists like you and I.
And thanks for the kind words, I was surprised I could write that without looking anything up, honestly.