Fogdog
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Most Nazis were Christian. Nazis carried out the holocaust. Therefore the holocaust was carried out by Christians.
Nobody said anything about who started it, just who carried it out.
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Nobody said anything about who started it, just who carried it out.
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Fogdog
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Uh, no.Again, I kind of disagree. Your missing both context and deeper historical accuracy. I would ask what you actually know of Islamic atrocities throughout history? And to a lesser degree how they have confronted (or not) those atrocities throughout history (i.e. have they ever apologised to anyone). I fear you keep yourself in the dark about that to conform to your specific hatreds.
And seeing as there are a number of Soviet references in your sig:
Speaking of the Holocaust, I hope you are aware of how effectively the Soviets used the German concentration camps after WW2 (and for decades afterwards) to kill minorities (like Jews) and political dissidents. Not to mention that country and it's ideologies brought us things like National Socialism (aka - real honest to goodness Nazisum). Remember (if your were taught this or not) Russia was on the side of Nazis Germany at the start of WW2 and was part of the invasion of Poland (and genocide there). Only when Britain declared war on Germany did Russia turn 'Neutral' (which is another story unto itself).
Heck, the Russian far left started the whole 'hate the Jews' thing, when they made up a propaganda book called the 'protocols of the elders of zion'. A fake propaganda book used to kill one million illiterate peasants in Russia in the late 19th and early 20th century (in fact the book was used to kill different minorities ..they just changed the name of the ethnic group in the book). It directly inspired Hitler with his ideology later on.
I always thought that is partially why the Far left (Marxist, Communist etc) and Nazis have always been at each others throats (they have been all this time). They share far more ancestry then they care to admitand the parallels with Religion are not lost on me either.
Nazis carried out the holocaust.
And so forth.
The families of six million dead Jews mourn their dead. Not that they don't care about other people but what you said was hardly relevant to them.
Puff_Dragon
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*Ahem* well thats not right. Here's your 'starter for ten':
All the countries allied with Nazis Germany supported and committed atrocities (and supported the genocide of the Jewish population). This included Islamic countries (and others too). In fact, Islam (and the majority of the Arab world) joined on the side of Nazis Germany (as they felt closer to that ideology) and I notice people have conveniently forgotten that fact. Only the minority groups in the Middle East joined on the side of the Allies. Simply read the German documents (or Arab) documents of the time to see this truth.
Not to mention, it was the allies of Nazis Germany that took in and protected Nazis after WW2 (South America, North Africa and the middle east). It is the reason why today you see so much Nationalism and anti-Semitism in most of those places (these are the places historically we were always told where Nazisum would rise again ..if not dealt with). Sadly the Nazis they gave protection too also seeded those societies with Nazisum (Nationalism and socialism) and a taste for anti-Semitism. There's more to it then that, but it can't really be related in a thread
And this really feels like I'm part of a highjacking ..for a thread which really was only about
'atheist vs muslim'
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MichiganMedGrower
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At least you still only talk to your boring self.
If they were nazis they were not Christian anymore. They killed Christians.
Nazi is their religion. That’s why it won’t go away.
And I wasn’t asking for your opinion. You just defend the head troll automatically as his follower.
You are welcome.
Venus55
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“Anarchy is the only sensible option now.
Look at the state of the world. The governments of the world don't care about the people. They only care about pleasing their elite masters. We live in a world where we are not free to do what we want with our own land, property or bodies. We are pushed into labor and we are forced to give part of our earnings to the government under threat of being thrown in a cage. If you resist the cage, you're threatened with violence. Your tax dollars go to blowing up innocent families overseas. Take a very close look at the world. It is barbaric and not being run in the best interest of the people, but instead to benefit a select few at the detriment of the majority. The playing field is not even. The deck is stacked. We are all slaves and it is time to cast off the shackles and turn on our masters. I'm sick of all the suffering, the death, the systematic stripping of wealth from the people to prop up the death machine we call government. Racial division is government control. The war on terror is a farce. Every innocent civilian is regarded with suspicion and is subject to invasive surveillance. The drug war is for control. They cook the drugs or import them, flood the streets, then cage the victims. We need to end government for the sake of humanity. Most people just want to live in peace. And those who don't will soon find out what happens when they try to victimize people who look after each other.
Think about it. If your friend was being robbed, would you just stand and watch? Or would you stand by your friend and defend them? We're not helpless sheep, despite what the government would have you believe. We can take care of ourselves. And more importantly, we're social creatures, and we can take care of each other.
In a society where everyone is taken care of and fed and comfortable, would crime really be a big problem? Most crime is a consequence of not being able to survive in this system. If we are able to grow our own food and collect rain water without being arrested for it (that's the biggest sign that a revolution is due) and we can all get by, rather than being protective of our resources, we would be willing to share. No point in stealing to feed yourself when someone offers you a meal.
Government, consumerism and selfishness need to go or we are doomed as a species.”
Fogdog
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Nope*Ahem* well thats not right. Here's your 'starter for ten':
All the countries allied with Nazis Germany supported and committed atrocities (and supported the genocide of the Jewish population). This included Islamic countries (and others too). In fact, Islam (and the majority of the Arab world) joined on the side of Nazis Germany (as they felt closer to that ideology) and I notice people have conveniently forgotten that fact. Only the minority groups in the Middle East joined on the side of the Allies. Simply read the German documents (or Arab) documents of the time to see this truth.
Not to mention, it was the allies of Nazis Germany that took in and protected Nazis after WW2 (South America, North Africa and the middle east). It is the reason why today you see so much Nationalism and anti-Semitism in most of those places (these are the places historically we were always told where Nazisum would rise again ..if not dealt with). Sadly the Nazis they gave protection too also seeded those societies with Nazisum (Nationalism and socialism) and a taste for anti-Semitism. There's more to it then that, but it can't really be related in a thread
And this really feels like I'm part of a highjacking ..for a thread which really was only about
'atheist vs muslim'
No Nazis, no holocaust. Nazis killed 6 million Jews.
Doesn't matter that Hitler was atheist. Most Nazis were Christians.
No need to deflect. I didn't read your post anyway because it had nothing to do with the central facts.
Fogdog
Well-Known Member
Can you tell me which country or society most closely matches your ideal?
Venus55
Well-Known Member
No sir I certainly cannot.
A happy medium between anarchy and order. “That’s my ideal”. And an “ideal” is all it is.
Fuck the blood sucking, life leeching parasites.
UncleBuck
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Nazi Germany was 98% white and Christian, cuck
UncleBuck
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Name anything done by Islamic nations that is worse than the holocaust, which was perpetrated by ChristiansAgain, I kind of disagree. Your missing both context and deeper historical accuracy. I would ask what you actually know of Islamic atrocities throughout history? And to a lesser degree how they have confronted (or not) those atrocities throughout history (i.e. have they ever apologised to anyone). I fear you keep yourself in the dark about that to conform to your specific hatreds.
And seeing as there are a number of Soviet references in your sig:
Speaking of the Holocaust, I hope you are aware of how effectively the Soviets used the German concentration camps after WW2 (and for decades afterwards) to kill minorities (like Jews) and political dissidents. Not to mention that country and it's ideologies brought us things like National Socialism (aka - real honest to goodness Nazisum). Remember (if your were taught this or not) Russia was on the side of Nazis Germany at the start of WW2 and was part of the invasion of Poland (and genocide there). Only when Britain declared war on Germany did Russia turn 'Neutral' (which is another story unto itself).
Heck, the Russian far left started the whole 'hate the Jews' thing, when they made up a propaganda book called the 'protocols of the elders of zion'. A fake propaganda book used to kill one million illiterate peasants in Russia in the late 19th and early 20th century (in fact the book was used to kill different minorities ..they just changed the name of the ethnic group in the book). It directly inspired Hitler with his ideology later on.
I always thought that is partially why the Far left (Marxist, Communist etc) and Nazis have always been at each others throats (they have been all this time). They share far more ancestry then they care to admit
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
The holocaust was committed by 98% white and Christian Germany*Ahem* well thats not right. Here's your 'starter for ten':
All the countries allied with Nazis Germany supported and committed atrocities (and supported the genocide of the Jewish population). This included Islamic countries (and others too). In fact, Islam (and the majority of the Arab world) joined on the side of Nazis Germany (as they felt closer to that ideology) and I notice people have conveniently forgotten that fact. Only the minority groups in the Middle East joined on the side of the Allies. Simply read the German documents (or Arab) documents of the time to see this truth.
Not to mention, it was the allies of Nazis Germany that took in and protected Nazis after WW2 (South America, North Africa and the middle east). It is the reason why today you see so much Nationalism and anti-Semitism in most of those places (these are the places historically we were always told where Nazisum would rise again ..if not dealt with). Sadly the Nazis they gave protection too also seeded those societies with Nazisum (Nationalism and socialism) and a taste for anti-Semitism. There's more to it then that, but it can't really be related in a thread
And this really feels like I'm part of a highjacking ..for a thread which really was only about
'atheist vs muslim'
Muslim nations had no part in the holocaust
captainmorgan
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Another blood thirsty white guy was Stalin.
MichiganMedGrower
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Was until they were nazis. What’s your point? Hitler wasn’t Christian.
UncleBuck
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The holocaust was perpetrated by Germany, a 98% white and Christian nation
Venus55
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“Every once in a while, you'll come across someone talking about Hitler's Christianity. Fortunately, the Rutgers Journal of Law and Religion has come along to irrefutably correct these dumb comments. The journal is posting on its Web site previously unpublished documents from the Nuremberg war crimes tribunal—starting with a 120-page report, "The Nazi Master Plan: The Persecution of the Christian Churches".
"Important leaders of the National Socialist party would have liked to meet this situation [church influence] by complete extirpation of Christianity and the substitution of a purely racial religion," the OSS said in 1945, according to the report (which was prepared by the U.S. Office of Strategic Services, a precursor of the CIA).
Nuremberg Project editor Julie Seltzer Mandel tells The Philadelphia Inquirer, "A lot of people will say, 'I didn't realize that they were trying to convert Christians to a Nazi philosophy.' … They wanted to eliminate the Jews altogether, but they were also looking to eliminate Christianity."
"Important leaders of the National Socialist party would have liked to meet this situation [church influence] by complete extirpation of Christianity and the substitution of a purely racial religion," the OSS said in 1945, according to the report (which was prepared by the U.S. Office of Strategic Services, a precursor of the CIA).
Nuremberg Project editor Julie Seltzer Mandel tells The Philadelphia Inquirer, "A lot of people will say, 'I didn't realize that they were trying to convert Christians to a Nazi philosophy.' … They wanted to eliminate the Jews altogether, but they were also looking to eliminate Christianity."
MichiganMedGrower
Well-Known Member
It wasn’t perpetrated by Germany as a whole. Your statement is meaningless. But at least you heard yourself numerous times.
UncleBuck
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germany was a christian nation. hitler used christian rhetoric and cited the authority of the bible. nazi leaders supported the german christian movement.
you are wrong about everything.
the holocaust was perpetrated by a 98% white and christian nation.
MichiganMedGrower
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Just because you say it is so doesn’t make it so.germany was a christian nation. hitler used christian rhetoric and cited the authority of the bible. nazi leaders supported the german christian movement.
you are wrong about everything.
the holocaust was perpetrated by a 98% white and christian nation.
It is a shame you see only what you want to see.
moving_shadow
Active Member
yes, I'm surprised to come back and find all of this nazi stuff in this thread, I'll let myself out the door