Seawood
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Yes.
Plants turn Purple/Gnarly/WTF? Its NOT COLD. OR BURN. Totally ruins plants
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jimihendrix1
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Looks like the start of the same shit..
Im stumped.
Unless its some kind of lockout, or pathogen I don't know.
If it progresses the same as my buddys. Its going to be at the least severely fucked.
And for the record.
19-19-19
0-0-60 aren't grass fertilizers dumbass.
Do some research. Seems like you know nothing, and can only contribute insults.
growingforfun
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With results like what's on your gee-tar case who can argue with such.
Why dont you do some research? Your the one that's got dying plants. I'm sure it has nothing to do to with you tho, cuz it's your friend right? Maybe dump some more ag ferts on em. Seems to be making them strong an healthy, an those buds oh me oh my.
Us fools over here just dont know anything about these issues cuz r 2 dumb.
Seawood
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Well I just cut the shit out of my plants. Must have cut 20 bud sites. Kills me but I’ll see what happens. If it continues to spread/come back I’m just going to ride it out. No point in growing plants with no effing tops on them. Who knows...I may have just tossed how ever many zips of future bud for nothing.
So what was the result from your grows with this issue? Was it a total loss? Did you try removing the black buds/affected areas?
jimihendrix1
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Its not my grow. Its my friends.
And yes. Its mostly a total disaster.
Hopefully you may have better luck. I hope so for you.
He did use more of the 19-19-19
0-0-60 a few days ago, and also gave them a small dose of
Chem Gro
15.5-0-0
4-20-39
Epsom Salts
The agricultural fertilizer is blended to a 10-19-39 which is all but perfect for weed. Add in some mono potassium phosphate in the right time of flowering, and that's the feed ratio.
19.5-20-39 is considered the perfect weed fertilizer, and is supported by tissue culture from Chem Gro.
Chem Gro, if some don't know who they are.
Have been making PLANT SPECIFIC FERTILIZER SINCE 1965.
And yes. Its mostly a total disaster.
Hopefully you may have better luck. I hope so for you.
He did use more of the 19-19-19
0-0-60 a few days ago, and also gave them a small dose of
Chem Gro
15.5-0-0
4-20-39
Epsom Salts
The agricultural fertilizer is blended to a 10-19-39 which is all but perfect for weed. Add in some mono potassium phosphate in the right time of flowering, and that's the feed ratio.
19.5-20-39 is considered the perfect weed fertilizer, and is supported by tissue culture from Chem Gro.
Chem Gro, if some don't know who they are.
Have been making PLANT SPECIFIC FERTILIZER SINCE 1965.
whatscooking
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Have you been adding lime to your ground
Seawood
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Yes. Soil has lime added. Also fed Epsom salts 1tsp per gallon 2 weeks ago. Sure would like to know what’s going on here. Would a deficiency/lockout cause distorted new growth? No idea what to do now...just keep feeding/watering and hope for the best? Not cutting anything else...counted 26 tops and one main branch that had black bud sites all over it that I snipped off. Feel like puking. All this work and time invested...asked around locally and some guys claim to have had a similar thing but only on a few tips. They cut em off and said so far so good.
I searched the interweb and nothing conclusive. Guess I’ll just hope for the best.
Seawood
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Hey Rick, in your experience, does trimming off the affected parts have any control over the spread? Also, does the whole plant eventually get infected or does it stay isolated? Thanks.
whatscooking
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How much lime have you been adding and what type, Lime was always considered cheap fertilizer when I farmed. Two to five ton to the acre was the norm when a re application was required.
Seawood
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It was premixed in the Promix I’m using. Not sure what the ratio is though. I never added extra. Can’t imagine this is a cal/mag issue though...if that’s what you’re thinking.
jimihendrix1
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What type of Lime??
Calcitic? Dolomite?
Dolomite is high in Magnesium, and Calcitic of course supplies Calcium.
Calcitic has a faster PH reaction, and Dolomite is more stable over a long period.
Usually in many cases in agriculture, and the company that makes Promix also uses both.
The basic formula is
Use 2/3 part Calcitic to 1/3 Dolomite.
If your in Clay base soil, you want to satay away from Dolomite because it will compact the soil structure. Calcitic doesn't do this.
If you used a hefty dose of Dolomite, and then add more Magnesium, and not monitoring it, its possible they have a Calcium/Magnesium imbalance.
Cutting out the bad parts usually didn't work for my friend, and also cutting it may make it more vulnerable to infection from the open wounds.
Im just playing devils advocate to a point. Just thinking of possibilities.
Calcitic? Dolomite?
Dolomite is high in Magnesium, and Calcitic of course supplies Calcium.
Calcitic has a faster PH reaction, and Dolomite is more stable over a long period.
Usually in many cases in agriculture, and the company that makes Promix also uses both.
The basic formula is
Use 2/3 part Calcitic to 1/3 Dolomite.
If your in Clay base soil, you want to satay away from Dolomite because it will compact the soil structure. Calcitic doesn't do this.
If you used a hefty dose of Dolomite, and then add more Magnesium, and not monitoring it, its possible they have a Calcium/Magnesium imbalance.
Cutting out the bad parts usually didn't work for my friend, and also cutting it may make it more vulnerable to infection from the open wounds.
Im just playing devils advocate to a point. Just thinking of possibilities.
jimihendrix1
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After my post, I see you didn't add any lime.
My buddy did, but not much, and has been 3 months ago.
He used 36 teaspoons Calcitic Lime x 12 teaspoons Dolomite.
3.65 oz 19-19-19
2 oz 0-0-60.
Per 3.8 cu/ft Promix BX.
So a bit of lime probably was a good thing as that fert is very strong, and will drive it acidic over time.
My buddies plants are 5 - 8.5 feet tall, and just as wide.
HUGE in Veg, and then they start turning black. Many of these would be 3lbs plants at least.
He also has some that aren't doing it, from the same strains. Right next to the others.
Buddy also gave a guy some seeds, and none of his plants are showing this, which makes me think its environmental.
My buddy did, but not much, and has been 3 months ago.
He used 36 teaspoons Calcitic Lime x 12 teaspoons Dolomite.
3.65 oz 19-19-19
2 oz 0-0-60.
Per 3.8 cu/ft Promix BX.
So a bit of lime probably was a good thing as that fert is very strong, and will drive it acidic over time.
My buddies plants are 5 - 8.5 feet tall, and just as wide.
HUGE in Veg, and then they start turning black. Many of these would be 3lbs plants at least.
He also has some that aren't doing it, from the same strains. Right next to the others.
Buddy also gave a guy some seeds, and none of his plants are showing this, which makes me think its environmental.
Seawood
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It’s dolomite in the Promix. I asked buddy I got the clones from and he said he “had a few tops” that had the issue but clipped them off and says no more issue.
I have no clue and sick of wasting all my time worrying about this. It’ll be what it’ll be. If nobody has found an answer to this then chances are I’m not the guy to make any revelations! The only two things I’ve come up with is the same as you...P deficiency or pathogen/bacterial infection. I tried to resolve the deficiency to no avail...so it’s either a lockout I can’t figure out or an infection I can’t fix.
jimihendrix1
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Promix has both Calcitic, and Dolomite. That's where I got the idea of using both, and with further research, found many studies to back up what Premier is doing. Premier makes PMX.
Im trending towards environment/pathogen.
Im trending towards environment/pathogen.
rikdabrick
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If you have the same thing I did then I don't think it will make a difference. I took clones from what looked like unaffected parts of the plants pretty early on and the clones all ended up with it too. It might not be horrible though. I still pulled off a good harvest last run and this run will be good too. Some strains were affected worse than others, but even the worst ones weren't horrible. It just killed off some of the buds that weren't getting very good sun which was mostly the inner and lower budsites. My soil is dialed in pretty dang close to perfect according to the ratios I shoot for so that might help a lot
Seawood
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Ok, thanks Rick. When did you start noticing the black/purple growth? Just started showing up during preflower on my plants.
On another point, I cut a bunch of tops off of one plant (20ish) which was most affected....still in preflower. Will this plant recover and redirect to the other bud sites or did I just seriously reduce yield?
rikdabrick
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I noticed it during in veg. And topping during preflower is fine.
whatscooking
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Are you in the ground or pots
Seawood
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12 gal pots.
whatscooking
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Mix two cups of hydrated lime into 5 gal of water and give the most affected plants a gallon. I think you will see fresh growth that shows promise. Give that a few days and hit it again.