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[nc208]

Western Wizard #4 beginning of week 8.
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Looking Good, have you found any distinct phenos in the western wizard?

 

[Spondylo Grow]

Any word on why Lucky 7s is on discontinued list? Seems a can’t miss to me

I believe Gu stated before that the discontinued strains are just the bottom 50% sellers.

 

[suthrngrwr]

Interesting how is the smell on them?

If he isn't impressed by the Boom Town then he must have some true elite clones in his garden. I found two phenotypes out of 5 seeds.

One was a heavy LVTK leaner in structure and aroma. Gassy, creamy, vanilla kush flavor all the way. During the cure, I would have sworn there were kush flavored marshmellows in those jars. The second phenotype was a balanced gal, taking on the structure of dad (the Stardawg) and incorporating all the funkiness he has to offer with the LVTK's more mellow, vanilla kush gas cake. Difficult to describe that phenotype's aroma -- earthy funk, lots of gas and lemon skunkiness underneath. Often times smells just like gassy/skunky coffee. Yield was great on both. 3 gallon cloth pots filled with cococoir, vegged plants from seed for roughly 6 weeks (think they were about 16 inches tall from base to tip) when flower was induced. 10 weeks for flower for sure. Any earlier would have been a huge mistake. Each plant offered up ~4 ounces of baggable buds, with roughly 1.5 ounces of popcorn and trim. Effects are potent and dreamy if overindulged. Definite day wreaker as the effects come on hard and fast.

All my people like the Boom Town over the Jelly Pie phenotypes I found. Flavor and effects were cited as the main reason. If you could hunt 10 packs of the Boom Town, I guarantee you'd find one of the best OG/Chem plants in existence.

 

[quiescent]

I believe Gu stated before that the discontinued strains are just the bottom 50% sellers.

It was never in stock and when it was restocked it'd be like 7 packs that disappeared in hours.

 

[Yodaweed]

If he isn't impressed by the Boom Town then he must have some true elite clones in his garden. I found two phenotypes out of 5 seeds.

One was a heavy LVTK leaner in structure and aroma. Gassy, creamy, vanilla kush flavor all the way. During the cure, I would have sworn there were kush flavored marshmellows in those jars. The second phenotype was a balanced gal, taking on the structure of dad (the Stardawg) and incorporating all the funkiness he has to offer with the LVTK's more mellow, vanilla kush gas cake. Difficult to describe that phenotype's aroma -- earthy funk, lots of gas and lemon skunkiness underneath. Often times smells just like gassy/skunky coffee. Yield was great on both. 3 gallon cloth pots filled with cococoir, vegged plants from seed for roughly 6 weeks (think they were about 16 inches tall from base to tip) when flower was induced. 10 weeks for flower for sure. Any earlier would have been a huge mistake. Each plant offered up ~4 ounces of baggable buds, with roughly 1.5 ounces of popcorn and trim. Effects are potent and dreamy if overindulged. Definite day wreaker as the effects come on hard and fast.

All my people like the Boom Town over the Jelly Pie phenotypes I found. Flavor and effects were cited as the main reason. If you could hunt 10 packs of the Boom Town, I guarantee you'd find one of the best OG/Chem plants in existence.

A lot of people that got real elites aren't impressed easily, it's hard to find an OG that stacks up to my white fire og it's probably the best OG ever made, yield, flavor, frost it's got it all, so when i'm running other OG's and chem crosses it's always a let down for me because i got a champion plant growing alongside. I know when i compare plants to strains like golden goat, wifi og, blue dream (santa cruz cut) and other rare cuts it's difficult for MANY crosses to stand up against them. Like i'm growing this skywarden from GPS, i bet a lot of people would think it's a keeper but to me it's a B quality strain since an A strain is an elite clone only type plant.

I always tell new growers around here to grow some clones from the dispensary first so you know what a quality plant is, many people have no clue what a keeper really is because they have never grown an elite plant.

 

[suthrngrwr]

A lot of people that got real elites aren't impressed easily, it's hard to find an OG that stacks up to my white fire og it's probably the best OG ever made, yield, flavor, frost it's got it all, so when i'm running other OG's and chem crosses it's always a let down for me because i got a champion plant growing alongside. I know when i compare plants to strains like golden goat, wifi og, blue dream (santa cruz cut) and other rare cuts it's difficult for MANY crosses to stand up against them. Like i'm growing this skywarden from GPS, i bet a lot of people would think it's a keeper but to me it's a B quality strain since an A strain is an elite clone only type plant.

I always tell new growers around here to grow some clones from the dispensary first so you know what a quality plant is, many people have no clue what a keeper really is because they have never grown an elite plant.

Not all of us are lucky enough to have access to elite cuts. Seeds are our only option to build a genetic library.

 

[quiescent]

Not all of us are lucky enough to have access to elite cuts. Seeds are our only option to build a genetic library.

This.

Imho every cross with an elite in it has the capability of being better than the cut itself. Sure it might take popping 200+ seeds to find it but generally they're in there.

 

[whytewidow]

It doesn't really matter if you go with medium or large perlite unless you have a consistent particle size.
All it does is take up space and decrease the amount of moisture a growing medium will actually hold.
I bet you'd get similar results by switching from BX to HP.

BTW, promix doesn't have squat for nutrients. A little cal-mag from the dolomite but that's about it.

I use bx because I got bales for 20 bucks on sale. So I bought 6 bales. I know it doesnt have any nutes in it. I prefer that. Bc I run megacrop. I feed from day day 1 sprout. I feed every day. I couldn't pass up a sale like that. They were closing the store. And liquidating everything. That's why I bought it.

 

[Yodaweed]

This.

Imho every cross with an elite in it has the capability of being better than the cut itself. Sure it might take popping 200+ seeds to find it but generally they're in there.

Not all of us are lucky enough to have access to elite cuts. Seeds are our only option to build a genetic library.

I agree, every seed has the possibility of becoming an elite clone only type plant, however it does take many seeds to find the best, like @quiescent said you gonna need to run a few hundred and you may or may not find something good.

 

[suthrngrwr]

I agree, every seed has the possibility of becoming an elite clone only type plant, however it does take many seeds to find the best, like @quiescent said you gonna need to run a few hundred and you may or may not find something good.

Keep in mind it is a pure numbers game. If I hunt 20 seeds per flower run, in a year I can hunt through 100 seeds (regardless of ancestry). I'll find an elite cut eventually.

 

[Yodaweed]

Keep in mind it is a pure numbers game. If I hunt 20 seeds per flower run, in a year I can hunt through 100 seeds (regardless of ancestry). I'll find an elite cut eventually.

Only problem with that is, how do you know what an elite cut is if youve never grown one, not gonna lie i thought i knew what one was until i got a clone of golden goat. It changed my entire way of plant selection. Keepers are what you wanna keep but elite cuts are very rare.

 

[boybelue]

what you need? you add it to cart. go ahead to check out.you can add riu or nugs in coupon code you can stop there in check out cause you everything done
now go back and wait till the price is what you will pay

I had been waiting in ck out and my clock synced to the auction and it had been working ,the last two times I did this I screwed my self because price didn't drop when i hit the button. Maybe I did something different idk

 

[quiescent]

Only problem with that is, how do you know what an elite cut is if youve never grown one, not gonna lie i thought i knew what one was until i got a clone of golden goat. It changed my entire way of plant selection. Keepers are what you wanna keep but elite cuts are very rare.

I'm sure even if clones aren't accessible that USPS is delivering the same flowers to those of us here in prohibition land. Unless someone's totally unconnected and their grow is their only source there's a good chance all of us have come across elite flowers.

 

[Johnhorror]

It's a reverse auction. When seed packs are on auction, they start at regular price, say $89 for most of them. Then at timed intervals (20 minutes), the price drops by 10% of its current value, so $89 drops by $8.90 to $81.10, then by $8.11, so on and so forth.

There ya go. Just gotta watch the site and see what goes up.

Could you give me a link to the auction site,

 

[boybelue]

I'm sure even if clones aren't accessible that USPS is delivering the same flowers to those of us here in prohibition land. Unless someone's totally unconnected and their grow is their only source there's a good chance all of us have come across elite flowers.

I compare to incoming flower all the time it's a big curiosity of mine, sux living where I do. Probably no elite cuts within a thousand miles or more, love to have some , if not just for comparison.

 

[Cptn]

It was never in stock and when it was restocked it'd be like 7 packs that disappeared in hours.

Price is the throttle on sales velocity for a strain.
If he has a hot (popular, in demand) line but only a few packs, the price will stay up.
If he has a hot line and lots of packs, price will drop so everyone buys some.
If he has an unpopular line, the price will go down, whether he has a lot or a few.

@Gu~ has several mechanisms to manage these price strategies, not just the disco list.
We just saw one of those mechanisms with a low introductory price promotion on the 2 new strains.
If he only had a small number of packs, he never would have offered those deep discounts.
Making that available to Diamond and Gold members adds value to that loyalty program and creates incentive for people to work towards that goal (buy more seeds.)

Gu knows how many customers he has and what they have purchased. He knows what lines people buy only one pack of, what lines they buy multiples of, and what lines they don't want at all.

When stocks are down across the board, auctions go away.
Scarcity has a direct impact on price.

With Lucky 7s, demand was high, but he ran out of stock. People signed up for the "WaitList"
Here's what I think happened after that:
I believe he made an assload of new stock, and has a good view into how much he has sold into his customer base.
Once everyone has a pack, you need to provide an incentive for people to buy extras.
The Disco list is the best way to do that. Bargain price, all the time. No stress of the auction, trying to wait out other buyers lurking in the shadows of the web.

Gu must have a truckload of those Night Rider seeds, right? And I bet every repeat customer has at least 1 pack, most have multiple.

Some lines are discontinued but never get marked down.
Those lines might include mother plants that produce low numbers of seed for the space/time they take up but people only buy when on sale, lines where he lost access to the mother plant for some reason, or lines that people just stop buying as the existing stock is running out.

Gu gets criticized sometimes for not introducing new gear.
At some point, it makes sense to cull the herd to make room for new stars, and that should be an ongoing process.
I am looking forward to new additions as he continues to provide the fire for loyal customers.

 

[Chunky Stool]

I use bx because I got bales for 20 bucks on sale. So I bought 6 bales. I know it doesnt have any nutes in it. I prefer that. Bc I run megacrop. I feed from day day 1 sprout. I feed every day. I couldn't pass up a sale like that. They were closing the store. And liquidating everything. That's why I bought it.

$20 for the big bales (3.8 cu ft) is a great deal, I would have bought it too!

 

[Bakersfield]

Those packs were given to me from csi. I didnt pay for them. So no I didnt research them. But you can bet your ass I research them before i pop any. I looked up all his phenos on the 91 chem before I popped them.

I have a few of Nspecta's F1 PCK in the vault.
I've grown out the Chem 91 F1 and WiFi 43 F1. Both of these strains had fairly high amounts of Hermaphrodites for me, but the clincher for me is the dominant terp profile that the PCK lends to its crosses.
I have developed an aversion to its odor, but others seem to like it.

 

[Yodaweed]

$20 for the big bales (3.8 cu ft) is a great deal, I would have bought it too!

I got a shitload of sunshine mix #4 irrigation from home depot for 12$ per bale (3.8cu ft expandable to 5.5 cu ft) you ever used it? i used it outdoors this year shit worked great on my tomatoes im very tempted to try it indoors

 

[growslut]

If he isn't impressed by the Boom Town then he must have some true elite clones in his garden. I found two phenotypes out of 5 seeds.

One was a heavy LVTK leaner in structure and aroma. Gassy, creamy, vanilla kush flavor all the way. During the cure, I would have sworn there were kush flavored marshmellows in those jars. The second phenotype was a balanced gal, taking on the structure of dad (the Stardawg) and incorporating all the funkiness he has to offer with the LVTK's more mellow, vanilla kush gas cake. Difficult to describe that phenotype's aroma -- earthy funk, lots of gas and lemon skunkiness underneath. Often times smells just like gassy/skunky coffee. Yield was great on both. 3 gallon cloth pots filled with cococoir, vegged plants from seed for roughly 6 weeks (think they were about 16 inches tall from base to tip) when flower was induced. 10 weeks for flower for sure. Any earlier would have been a huge mistake. Each plant offered up ~4 ounces of baggable buds, with roughly 1.5 ounces of popcorn and trim. Effects are potent and dreamy if overindulged. Definite day wreaker as the effects come on hard and fast.

All my people like the Boom Town over the Jelly Pie phenotypes I found. Flavor and effects were cited as the main reason. If you could hunt 10 packs of the Boom Town, I guarantee you'd find one of the best OG/Chem plants in existence.

great write up!

it sounds like Colorado has better elite clone selections available at retail, but I live in Los Angeles and tried growing clones from most places that offered them. Clones were never good enough. The entire reason I started buying seeds is because I wanted to get access to better genetics. And so far, the seeds I've got and grown are better than most any bud I could buy at the dispensaries. Maybe if you have connections to people with great cuts you could get hooked up with great stuff in LA, but imho seeds pack more fire than the 'elite' strains offered at dispensaries around here