stock market, jobs, economy all plummeting under trump

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schuylaar

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MichiganMedGrower said:
It still says what I said. You want it to mean democrat. They were separate posts. You're not as sharp as you constantly say you are.

By the way. Do you keep a record of all the people you turn off to your wacko politics? You are off the rocker at this point.
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no, there's a search feature..he just uses that with keywords.
 
Buddha2525

Buddha2525

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schuylaar said:
well, there goes the portfolio..you totally understand it was just just paper and numbers this whole time..right?

i was delirious with dabs..did they say FORD is DOWN .50 or is WORTH .50/share?:lol:

'investors are shedding shares and expectation to continue today'.
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That wouldn't have happened had Henry Ford had his way. Either you have corporate success, at the expense of the workers, or workers rights results in failure of the company. The solution is keeping the company lean but government must step in to subsidize the unneeded employees. Otherwise we end up failing like is happening now.

Toyota stole Ford's idea of limited inventory and stream lined supply chain management called Just In Time, which Ford couldn't implement due to union rules, but realized it's limitations.

Which is why more than ever in an ever greater technology dependent society, capitalism must make way for socialiam.


"Toyota people also recognized that the Ford system had contradictions and shortcomings, particularly with respect to employees. With General Douglas MacAurthur actively promoting labor unions in the occupation years, Ford's harsh attitudes and demeaning job structures were unworkable in post-war Japan. They were also unworkable in the American context, but that would not be evident for some years. America's "Greatest Generation" carried over attitudes from the Great Depression that made the system work in spite of its defects.

Toyota soon discovered that factory workers had far more to contribute than just muscle power. This discovery probably originated in the Quality Circle movement."

"A quality circle is a participatory management technique that enlists the help of employees in solving problems related to their own jobs."

But that leads to two problems when socialism isn't part of the equation. One is it needs volunteers. Second the employees risk solving how the company can eliminate their own job once a employee shows how their job isn't needed. Why would an employee tell management how a process can be done which doesn't involve them anymore?

We're all in this together. When we start rooting against our own, because there's a sibling quarrel, we lose.

This is my job. Explaining to greedy corporate why being a humanitarian, and not fucking over their employees for short term financial gains is better in the long run.

http://www.strategos-m.com/just_in_time.htm

https://www.inc.com/encyclopedia/quality-circles.html
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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Buddha2525 said:
That wouldn't have happened had Henry Ford had his way. Either you have corporate success, at the expense of the workers, or workers rights results in failure of the company. The solution is keeping the company lean but government must step in to subsidize the unneeded employees. Otherwise we end up failing like is happening now.

Toyota stole Ford's idea of limited inventory and stream lined supply chain management called Just In Time, which Ford couldn't implement due to union rules, but realized it's limitations.

Which is why more than ever in an ever greater technology dependent society, capitalism must make way for socialiam.


"Toyota people also recognized that the Ford system had contradictions and shortcomings, particularly with respect to employees. With General Douglas MacAurthur actively promoting labor unions in the occupation years, Ford's harsh attitudes and demeaning job structures were unworkable in post-war Japan. They were also unworkable in the American context, but that would not be evident for some years. America's "Greatest Generation" carried over attitudes from the Great Depression that made the system work in spite of its defects.

Toyota soon discovered that factory workers had far more to contribute than just muscle power. This discovery probably originated in the Quality Circle movement."

"A quality circle is a participatory management technique that enlists the help of employees in solving problems related to their own jobs."

But that leads to two problems when socialism isn't part of the equation. One is it needs volunteers. Second the employees risk solving how the company can eliminate their own job once a employee shows how their job isn't needed. Why would an employee tell management how a process can be done which doesn't involve them anymore?

We're all in this together. When we start rooting against our own, because there's a sibling quarrel, we lose.

This is my job. Explaining to greedy corporate why being a humanitarian, and not fucking over their employees for short term financial gains is better in the long run.

http://www.strategos-m.com/just_in_time.htm

https://www.inc.com/encyclopedia/quality-circles.html
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Oof. More diarrhea.
 
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schuylaar

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Buddha2525 said:
That wouldn't have happened had Henry Ford had his way. Either you have corporate success, at the expense of the workers, or workers rights results in failure of the company. The solution is keeping the company lean but government must step in to subsidize the unneeded employees. Otherwise we end up failing like is happening now.

Toyota stole Ford's idea of limited inventory and stream lined supply chain management called Just In Time, which Ford couldn't implement due to union rules, but realized it's limitations.

Which is why more than ever in an ever greater technology dependent society, capitalism must make way for socialiam.


"Toyota people also recognized that the Ford system had contradictions and shortcomings, particularly with respect to employees. With General Douglas MacAurthur actively promoting labor unions in the occupation years, Ford's harsh attitudes and demeaning job structures were unworkable in post-war Japan. They were also unworkable in the American context, but that would not be evident for some years. America's "Greatest Generation" carried over attitudes from the Great Depression that made the system work in spite of its defects.

Toyota soon discovered that factory workers had far more to contribute than just muscle power. This discovery probably originated in the Quality Circle movement."

"A quality circle is a participatory management technique that enlists the help of employees in solving problems related to their own jobs."

But that leads to two problems when socialism isn't part of the equation. One is it needs volunteers. Second the employees risk solving how the company can eliminate their own job once a employee shows how their job isn't needed. Why would an employee tell management how a process can be done which doesn't involve them anymore?

We're all in this together. When we start rooting against our own, because there's a sibling quarrel, we lose.

This is my job. Explaining to greedy corporate why being a humanitarian, and not fucking over their employees for short term financial gains is better in the long run.

http://www.strategos-m.com/just_in_time.htm

https://www.inc.com/encyclopedia/quality-circles.html
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+rep:clap: Thank you for educating me on something I didn't know about..i enjoy your posts!
 
Herb & Suds

Herb & Suds

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blaze 57 said:
Tax revenues up despite tax cuts. I wonder how you do that with millions of dead bodies in the street, job loss and the stock market plummeting under Trump? Must be Fake News. Bush's fault. MAGA.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/tax-revenues-are-higher-1533941919
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Speaking of Fake News how are those tax cuts feeling because I don't know anyone but the 1% who benefitted
But they (the 1%) send out thoughts and prayers to your grandchildren who will be paying for them
 
Buddha2525

Buddha2525

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schuylaar said:
+rep:clap: Thank you for educating me on something I didn't know about..i enjoy your posts!
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I'm not against unions per say, but against the risk the company loses money and takes it out on the employees. So there needs to be laws which protect employees by requiring top management like CEOs take a pay cut and distribute it to employees rather than fire them.

But there needs be a compromise. When a CEO makes 5,000 times the median salary, that's definitely wrong. Surveys say about 5 times is fair. Maybe we could compromise more and go a bit higher than that, but 5,000 times is ridiculous.

Also if fair worker practice is still too hard, maybe the government needs to step in. Although we should use discression, and do that when only necessary.

The video game industry proved private companies can and will regulate themselves when threatened with even greater restrictions if government steps in.

I just think it's time if the Supreme Court considers corporations as humans, then they need to act humitarianly, or government does the equivalent of advanced interrogation techniques against the corporate CEOs and their major holders of stock until they get their act together.

Hey, I'm just a Republican like that. Don't you think Trump would agree?
 
londonfog

londonfog

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Even Defense stocks are down WTF
I have never seen my RTN or HII go as low in such a short period. Defense stock are supposed to be a safe bet. If Raytheon is falling then something is indeed wrong. I will be selling at 195, purchased at 108.7 per
 
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schuylaar

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for a week now, i've been getting physical signs more than the 'flash' i typically see..it disturbs me because when i get physical (rarely) there's bad on the horizon..so far: Nikki Haley resigned, she wrote the letter a week ago; Market basically crashed; Missing Saudi WAPO reporter (we knew and didn't tell him?) Hurricane Michael Cat 4 (wait until you see what it looks like in Panama City).

there's going to be more..and trumps a pussy..it will reveal itself within a month or less.
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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Although I do agree, something wicked this way comes. The news is ominous as fuck.

I just never thought of making it about me.

Maybe I should develop delusions of grandeur.
 
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Fogdog

Fogdog

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Buddha2525 said:
That wouldn't have happened had Henry Ford had his way. Either you have corporate success, at the expense of the workers, or workers rights results in failure of the company. The solution is keeping the company lean but government must step in to subsidize the unneeded employees. Otherwise we end up failing like is happening now.

Toyota stole Ford's idea of limited inventory and stream lined supply chain management called Just In Time, which Ford couldn't implement due to union rules, but realized it's limitations.

Which is why more than ever in an ever greater technology dependent society, capitalism must make way for socialiam.


"Toyota people also recognized that the Ford system had contradictions and shortcomings, particularly with respect to employees. With General Douglas MacAurthur actively promoting labor unions in the occupation years, Ford's harsh attitudes and demeaning job structures were unworkable in post-war Japan. They were also unworkable in the American context, but that would not be evident for some years. America's "Greatest Generation" carried over attitudes from the Great Depression that made the system work in spite of its defects.

Toyota soon discovered that factory workers had far more to contribute than just muscle power. This discovery probably originated in the Quality Circle movement."

"A quality circle is a participatory management technique that enlists the help of employees in solving problems related to their own jobs."

But that leads to two problems when socialism isn't part of the equation. One is it needs volunteers. Second the employees risk solving how the company can eliminate their own job once a employee shows how their job isn't needed. Why would an employee tell management how a process can be done which doesn't involve them anymore?

We're all in this together. When we start rooting against our own, because there's a sibling quarrel, we lose.

This is my job. Explaining to greedy corporate why being a humanitarian, and not fucking over their employees for short term financial gains is better in the long run.

http://www.strategos-m.com/just_in_time.htm

https://www.inc.com/encyclopedia/quality-circles.html
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Unions have helped more people improve their standard of living than benevolent rich people ever have.

Deming and Crosby are revered names in Japan because they brought the concept of statistical quality control from the US to Japan where they revolutionized their industries. From there, they refined the methods to produce even higher levels of quality, reliability and customer experience. Ford, GM, Chrysler were all hidebound high profit corporations that never really made it out of the 1950's. It was management's failure to learn from Deming that sent him to Japan in the first place. It wasn't unions, it was lazy wealthy people in management, the boards and shareholders that led to their failure. The only real equity a corporation has is its people. "Unions are why Ford crashed." My ass.
 
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