Female pollination by a hermaphrodite plant

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I was looking for a confirmation what happens with a female plant when it gets pollinated by a hermaphrodite plant.
I think I read somewhere a few months ago that in this case a female plant will produce only female seeds. However after I tried to find this article or any place where I could read it I just could not find it.

Now I can confirm it is true. May be not a 100% true and there may be always some small amount of male seeds also produced. However at least with my second grow where I used seeds from my pollinated females(all eight plants I had for my first grow were pollinated and all came with seeds in their buds) all plants that have grown from these seeds seem to be all females.

For my first grow I had a few different strains growing in one tent. After harvesting I kept all buds with seeds in 2 big containers and I did not caer to sort them by their strains. Every time I smoked this weed I was just taking fallen seeds and putting them in a separate container. When I started with my second grow I just picked up seeds from this container randomly . And yet still all plants that is in flowering now shows they are females. It cannot be just a coincidence.
 
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Female is xx Male is xy. If a female herms and produces pollen it is still only carrying xx. xx pollen into xx receptor creates xx ofspring. When a male produces pollen either the x, or y will be passed on creating regular seeds.
If the seed you are using was from a plant that hermed under good conditions they will pass on the herm trait. If the seeds were produced from a plant herming in response to stress they are likely fine.
 
Antitheist

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I got 7 seeds from a friends plant that hermed. 3 were male. 2 hermed themselves. 1 wasn't viable. I got one good seed. Probably got lucky I did.
 
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INF Flux said:
Female is xx Male is xy. If a female herms and produces pollen it is still only carrying xx. xx pollen into xx receptor creates xx ofspring. When a male produces pollen either the x, or y will be passed on creating regular seeds.
If the seed you are using was from a plant that hermed under good conditions they will pass on the herm trait. If the seeds were produced from a plant herming in response to stress they are likely fine.
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I cannot say if it was a result of a stress or not. All seeds came fro Altitude Bank in UK. All were purchased as feminised seeds. One autoflower was a freebee. Apart from high temperature(+30C and more) most of the grow time there was nothing that could cause any stress.

Are you saying that even though all my current plants from those seeds are showing they are females I can still end up with some weirdos?

I do not know much about plants genetics and chromosomes. I just thought that I had like 100s of these seeds and why not to try them.

I had some problems germinating them with a very bad rate like 1 seed out of 20. Just in case I purchased other seeds for my second grow thinking they were just bad/immature or something wrong with them. But while I was waiting for fresh seeds to be delivered I found a way to germinate old seeds with like 9 out of 10 rate So I used 6 of them and added one more from fresh seeds.
 
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Kingrow1

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PinPin said:
I cannot say if it was a result of a stress or not. All seeds came fro Altitude Bank in UK. All were purchased as feminised seeds. One autoflower was a freebee. Apart from high temperature(+30C and more) most of the grow time there was nothing that could cause any stress.

Are you saying that even though all my current plants from those seeds are showing they are females I can still end up with some weirdos?

I do not know much about plants genetics and chromosomes. I just thought that I had like 100s of these seeds and why not to try them.

I had some problems germinating them with a very bad rate like 1 seed out of 20. Just in case I purchased other seeds for my second grow thinking they were just bad/immature or something wrong with them. But while I was waiting for fresh seeds to be delivered I found a way to germinate old seeds with like 9 out of 10 rate So I used 6 of them and added one more from fresh seeds.
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Not being a pro grower and struggling to germinate so accept that your the reason plants hermed many times.

It will go away when you get more down :-)

Seeded bud is still good bud.
 
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PinPin said:
Are you saying that even though all my current plants from those seeds are showing they are females I can still end up with some weirdos?

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Yes. and will be more and more likely to have a higher % of hermy offspring each generation produced from moms with that trait.
 
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eh don't be afraid of a herm......i'm playing with seed right now from a herm, 10 planted and 10 sprouted.....still have the first one and the last from this grouping........think the biggest secret is to not to stress the plant in any way......that's just me though.......
 
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BudmanTX said:
eh don't be afraid of a herm......i'm playing with seed right now from a herm, 10 planted and 10 sprouted.....still have the first one and the last from this grouping........think the biggest secret is to not to stress the plant in any way......that's just me though.......
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I grow other growers hermie seeds and if i do ever get a herm, my own seed.

Funny though i never get a herm of hermie seed, i use to years ago when i wqs newer but ya totally agree that growers make herms not genetics.

Some strains seem a bit more prone, one day someone will invent a strain without the herm genetics :-)
 
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I am doing it now with 6 plants germinated from these seeds. They are 2 weeks in flowering now. The worst case scenario I will just get buds with seeds again. Since I am growing for myself it does not really bother me.
 
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Kingrow1 said:
I grow other growers hermie seeds and if i do ever get a herm, my own seed.

Funny though i never get a herm of hermie seed, i use to years ago when i wqs newer but ya totally agree that growers make herms not genetics.

Some strains seem a bit more prone, one day someone will invent a strain without the herm genetics :-)
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I asked here around a month ago about my girl but everyone said she look so bad to just put her out of her misery
Does this girl have any hermies? I neglected this plant
Maybe this is the hermie free strain lol
 

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Sirdankz said:
I asked here around a month ago about my girl but everyone said she look so bad to just put her out of her misery
Does this girl have any hermies? I neglected this plant
Maybe this is the hermie free strain lol
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it was, yes i can tell you neglected that plant, and you over clipped her too......first rule, is to let that plant do as she must, you are just the care taker of her.......surprised she didn't....
 
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That xx xy stuff is redundant for plant sex and in no way explains hermies.

At the moment (until corrected) this is an independant system not part of the sexual genetics (of which marijuana has some of the most complex in the plant world). The protein responsible is thought too small to identify but it influences the plant to produce the extra sex pollen sacs and is not actually part of the sexual genetics.

A herm is still 100% female and this middle sex'herm' does not exist.

So to the slightly higher genetic trait we have seen that in succesive bad/wet years more herms. Also a higher ratio of females, so the right conditions to amplify future generations which would be more prone to throw sacs with stress.

We are talking ten generations and any good years reverse the trend.

I really hate this low xx xy and such ridiculous non real world genetics ideas that get thrown around this site :-)

INF Flux said:
Female is xx Male is xy. If a female herms and produces pollen it is still only carrying xx. xx pollen into xx receptor creates xx ofspring. When a male produces pollen either the x, or y will be passed on creating regular seeds.
If the seed you are using was from a plant that hermed under good conditions they will pass on the herm trait. If the seeds were produced from a plant herming in response to stress they are likely fine.
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Sirdankz said:
I asked here around a month ago about my girl but everyone said she look so bad to just put her out of her misery
Does this girl have any hermies? I neglected this plant
Maybe this is the hermie free strain lol
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You stress a plant and it herms or throws one or many of its other stress defences.

Some strains will grow better for you so probably find them and beat your problems quicker :-)
 
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Kingrow1 said:
Not being a pro grower and struggling to germinate so accept that your the reason plants hermed many times.
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Actually I missed this one. That's not correct. All seeds purchased for my first grow from the seed bank germinated without any single problem. So having one herm that pollinated all others is not a result of problems with germination. It may be a stress or may be just one bad seed from the bank.

When I said I had problem with germination I was talking about my second grow gemination using seeds from plants pollinated during my first grow.

Sure I am inexperienced in growing but let's not confuse two different grows.
For now they are 18 days in flower and all look to be pure females. However there is a couple of strange plants.
One is really slow on growing white hair and has all top leaves standing up. Another has something similar to a pollen sack but it has hair growing from what seems to be a sack and I can see only one sack in one place, not over all the plant.
 
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