tipsgnob
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I never agree with BTB....but you are full of shit...........
Why I may never vote Democrat Again
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joepro
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We had our chance with RP.
He wanted to set things right and we told him very clearly, no.
Now we are forced into a position of backing incompidence or tossing a vote away on a third party.
Both parties running are incapable to deal with the countries issues.
They both have showed us that, time and again.
The only thing standing in the way of the american people...are the american people.
Fuck yea, let's go chase that idea of 'real change' or 'change I can believe in.'
Not some fuckin slogan, the reality of the idea.
You should be charged with incompidence if you vote obama/mccain.
Elect either dems or repukes?
I'm thinking more like charging them all with treason.
Treason-Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies. A betrayal of trust or confidence.
He wanted to set things right and we told him very clearly, no.
Now we are forced into a position of backing incompidence or tossing a vote away on a third party.
Both parties running are incapable to deal with the countries issues.
They both have showed us that, time and again.
The only thing standing in the way of the american people...are the american people.
Fuck yea, let's go chase that idea of 'real change' or 'change I can believe in.'
Not some fuckin slogan, the reality of the idea.
You should be charged with incompidence if you vote obama/mccain.
Elect either dems or repukes?
I'm thinking more like charging them all with treason.
Treason-Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies. A betrayal of trust or confidence.
TheBrutalTruth
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tipsgnob
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back in the 60's and early 70's, I belonged to this little club called, student for a democratic society. you sound like this guy that was in our club named bill ayers....
ViRedd
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One of the things Orwell said in his socialist parody, Animal Farm, was: "All pigs are equal, but some pigs are more equal than others."
Welcome to socialism, Med.
Vi
TheBrutalTruth
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You don't strike me as the mentally unbalanced type joepro.
The problem with Ayers approach is that the end result would not be a free society, but an enslaved one. The most ruthless elements of a revolution typically are the ones that seize control, except in rare cases such as the American Revolution.
Though, the largest reason I see for the success of the American Revolution is that the people that were in power were not doing it because they wanted to. They were doing it because they felt like they had no choice. They were being forced to participate in a system that was ignoring them, and not letting them have a voice in it.
medicineman
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My "friend", that is capitalism run-amok.One of the things Orwell said in his socialist parody, Animal Farm, was: "All pigs are equal, but some pigs are more equal than others."
Welcome to socialism, Med.
Vi
TheBrutalTruth
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Capitalism doesn't rely on government hand outs to businesses. In a truly capitalistic system the Banks and Investment Corporations that made these stupid choices would be allowed to go bankrupt, creating room for firms that were not mismanaged to compete.
There would have been no bail out of AIG, the GSEs, or the Bail Out Package. Bear Stearns' sale wouldn't have been arranged by the government, it would have been allowed to collapse, or find its own sellers, much like Lehman Brothers was allowed to.
What you are envisioning as a socialistic society, Med, isn't one that would be possible in this century with out massive depopulation.
medicineman
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Well, funny but I believe those rich guys back then siezed control and never relinquished it. This country is still owned by the elite class, the decendants of those founding fathers. They put up a popular face to be the front man, but behind the scenes, the elites wield the power. There is all this bullshit about the founding fathers and how great they were, hell, they still believed in slavery. They set up the country to favor the rich and it's been so ever since.
Bongulator
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You'd make a better point accusing people of incompetence if you didn't spell it "incompidence". Glass houses, stones, yada yada.
TheBrutalTruth
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Medman, the only problem I see with their brand of slavery is the fact that they didn't go for the Roman model where it was perfectly okay for a Patriarch to sell his own kids into slavery up to 3x for a duration of 7 years.
I'm sure that it placed much greater power into the hands of the parents.
"Behave, or I'll sell you!"
LOL,
I'm joking.
Slavery is a corrupt institute, but one that is irrelevant to the debate, and to state that they believed in slavery largely ignores the delegates from the northern states.
'http://www.heritage.org/Research/AmericanFoundingandHistory/wp01.cfm
John Adams opposed slavery his entire life as a "foul contagion in the human character" and "an evil of colossal magnitude." James Madison called it "the most oppressive dominion ever exercised by man over man."
Benjamin Franklin thought that slavery was "an atrocious debasement of human nature" and "a source of serious evils." He and Benjamin Rush founded the Pennsylvania Society for Promoting the Abolition of Slavery in 1774.
John Jay, who was the president of a similar society in New York, believed:
the honour of the states, as well as justice and humanity, in my opinion, loudly call upon them to emancipate these unhappy people. To contend for our own liberty, and to deny that blessing to others, involves an inconsistency not to be excused.
In 1786, Washington wrote of slavery, "there is not a man living who wishes more sincerely than I do, to see a plan adopted for the abolition of it." He devised a plan to rent his lands and turn his slaves into paid laborers, and at the end of his presidency he quietly freed several of his own household slaves. In the end, he could take it no more and decreed in his will that his slaves would become free upon the death of his wife. The old and infirm were to be cared for while they lived, and the children were to be taught to read and write and trained in a useful skill until they were age 25. Washington's estate paid for this care until 1833.
Frederick Douglass, for one, believed that the government created by the Constitution "was never, in its essence, anything but an anti-slavery government." Douglass was born into slavery in Maryland but escaped and eventually became a prominent spokesman for free blacks in the abolitionist movement. "Abolish slavery tomorrow, and not a sentence or syllable of the Constitution need be altered," he wrote in 1864:
It was purposely so framed as to give no claim, no sanction to the claim, of property in man. If in its origin slavery had any relation to the government, it was only as the scaffolding to the magnificent structure, to be removed as soon as the building was completed.
This point is underscored by the fact that, although slavery was abolished by constitutional amendment, not one word of the original text was amended or deleted.
Before one makes biased opinion based claims, one should check one's assumptions.
tipsgnob
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passing a law doesn't mean anything if the government doesn't enforce the law....there was legal slavery in some states until 1945...Medman, the only problem I see with their brand of slavery is the fact that they didn't go for the Roman model where it was perfectly okay for a Patriarch to sell his own kids into slavery up to 3x for a duration of 7 years.
I'm sure that it placed much greater power into the hands of the parents.
"Behave, or I'll sell you!"
LOL,
I'm joking.
Slavery is a corrupt institute, but one that is irrelevant to the debate, and to state that they believed in slavery largely ignores the delegates from the northern states.
'http://www.heritage.org/Research/AmericanFoundingandHistory/wp01.cfm
John Adams opposed slavery his entire life as a "foul contagion in the human character" and "an evil of colossal magnitude." James Madison called it "the most oppressive dominion ever exercised by man over man."
Benjamin Franklin thought that slavery was "an atrocious debasement of human nature" and "a source of serious evils." He and Benjamin Rush founded the Pennsylvania Society for Promoting the Abolition of Slavery in 1774.
John Jay, who was the president of a similar society in New York, believed:
the honour of the states, as well as justice and humanity, in my opinion, loudly call upon them to emancipate these unhappy people. To contend for our own liberty, and to deny that blessing to others, involves an inconsistency not to be excused.
In 1786, Washington wrote of slavery, "there is not a man living who wishes more sincerely than I do, to see a plan adopted for the abolition of it." He devised a plan to rent his lands and turn his slaves into paid laborers, and at the end of his presidency he quietly freed several of his own household slaves. In the end, he could take it no more and decreed in his will that his slaves would become free upon the death of his wife. The old and infirm were to be cared for while they lived, and the children were to be taught to read and write and trained in a useful skill until they were age 25. Washington's estate paid for this care until 1833.
Frederick Douglass, for one, believed that the government created by the Constitution "was never, in its essence, anything but an anti-slavery government." Douglass was born into slavery in Maryland but escaped and eventually became a prominent spokesman for free blacks in the abolitionist movement. "Abolish slavery tomorrow, and not a sentence or syllable of the Constitution need be altered," he wrote in 1864:
It was purposely so framed as to give no claim, no sanction to the claim, of property in man. If in its origin slavery had any relation to the government, it was only as the scaffolding to the magnificent structure, to be removed as soon as the building was completed.
This point is underscored by the fact that, although slavery was abolished by constitutional amendment, not one word of the original text was amended or deleted.
Before one makes biased opinion based claims, one should check one's assumptions.
TheBrutalTruth
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Actually, slavery never vanished, we just went from having private masters to public ones.
Which is total bullshit. I wish the government would just leave me alone, and let me keep what I earn so I can spend it.
Does any one disagree that if I bought a Mustang that it'd be helpful to the economy. Or if I was able to by a $1,000 big screen it'd be helpful to the economy? Or how about a couple solar panels and wind mills? Or opening a restaurant? Or buying a house?
The government hasn't done anything but interfere in the markets, and prevent the creation of jobs in the private sector.
tipsgnob
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what jobs????
TheBrutalTruth
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Jobs at Ford, Jobs at the Restaurant I would open, Jobs at wherever they manufacture Windmills and Solar Panels, and jobs in those Chinese Sweatshops where they build the flatscreens, which would generate jobs at the ports for people to unload those flatscreens, and for truckers to transport them to the store where I buy them, and jobs inside those stores.
TheBrutalTruth
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Yes, and if you taser a little kid some one will file a lawsuit on your behalf, so you can keep your job.