upnsmoke13
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Transplant Shock? Help a noob out!
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Dr. Who
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A word on "transplant shock";
Generally there is really no such thing as TS. I transplant all the time by up potting. I score the roots by turning over the root ball and CUTTING an "+" through the first 1/2 inch or so deep.
They are then re-potted and watered a mix for fast rooting (contains kelp extract and minor nutrient charge.)
This is a heavy watering. They may droop a bit but, that is generally from the overwatering of the soil and is gone by the time the soil dry's out nicely....
It's not a "shock" as it's been widely labeled!
BTW, this is how greenhouse stock is transplanted - scoring of the root system. In fact many commercial grows use the same practice.
The roots need to be coiling around the bottom of the pot....No coiling at an up potting? No scoring needed!
Generally there is really no such thing as TS. I transplant all the time by up potting. I score the roots by turning over the root ball and CUTTING an "+" through the first 1/2 inch or so deep.
They are then re-potted and watered a mix for fast rooting (contains kelp extract and minor nutrient charge.)
This is a heavy watering. They may droop a bit but, that is generally from the overwatering of the soil and is gone by the time the soil dry's out nicely....
It's not a "shock" as it's been widely labeled!
BTW, this is how greenhouse stock is transplanted - scoring of the root system. In fact many commercial grows use the same practice.
The roots need to be coiling around the bottom of the pot....No coiling at an up potting? No scoring needed!
Jacob_
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We all appreciate the tidbits like this on RIU that are added to help some of us newer guys out. Thanks from all of us.
Also, the Bat guano 7-3-1 helped out like crazy. I’ll take a pic when I get home. So that was a nice miracle worker to discover.
Growmedsbayarea
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I’d also suggest getting blue gold super carb if you want to make your buds frosty plus it’s organic. It works wonders and your buds will look like frosty the snowman.
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Dr. Who
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Well, to be polite. Bet I can do better with homemade supplements made for less then a buck and from org. sourced products.
Your being sold a story. And it isn't the carbs increasing "frost" either! I also doubt it's any chemical in concentrations large enough to make the difference you claim vs. the actual content concentrations (which they nicely do NOT provide, anywhere!)
Yet, I was able to find that it does contain "Triacontonal." That is a natural "fatty" alcohol that is in plant ester's and wax's. It IS a growth regulator!
So then, something in it they say it does NOT contain.....Plant growth regulators....
Don't fall for glossy claims by nutrient makers! They want your money! They are not out to "help" you do anything better....
Just like Mammoth P, it's a mammoth overstatement of actual results from use!
Growmedsbayarea
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Yea like brown sugar and molasses.
Jacob_
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How soon would you start flushing with that combination before harvest?
Lordhooha
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No need to flush. Molasses is used to feed the microbes in the soil nothing more.
How’s the plant looking now?
Budzbuddha
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You ALREADY have a FIX on hand without buying unnecessary bottles.
The FFOF ..... you can make a cheesecloth bag and make a tea out of it.
If you HAVE TO add something .... add kelp. ALL PLANTS LOVE kelp.
During a watering between bloom Nutes will help you out.
Do not trim shit .... flowering plants will pull what it needs and they will fade / drop on their own.
If you keeping trimming shit it makes plant THINK it needs to repair ... just let do it’s thing.
MAXIBLOOM a no brainer. For bloom.
The FFOF ..... you can make a cheesecloth bag and make a tea out of it.
If you HAVE TO add something .... add kelp. ALL PLANTS LOVE kelp.
During a watering between bloom Nutes will help you out.
Do not trim shit .... flowering plants will pull what it needs and they will fade / drop on their own.
If you keeping trimming shit it makes plant THINK it needs to repair ... just let do it’s thing.
MAXIBLOOM a no brainer. For bloom.
Dr. Who
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Molasses, Molasses, molasses....Blah
So what do you think molasses actually does for you?
Where in the hell do you guys get the idea that molasses or the contents of it, increase anything in the plant?
Hippie myth
The carbs in molasses feed the living bio's in the soil.....The mineral content's of molasses, once added to water. Are so low that any effect on the plant is negligible.
You really want to increase trich production?
Try using Mag and/or K sulfate products.
I make my own supplements of these things. I do add a carb source to get the living bio's rolling a bit to get uptake optimized.
Sulfur is the magic that increases or enhances terps. Increasing trich's,,,,increases terps.
For quite awhile now. There has been a debate on making sulfur a MACRO nutrient. S effects so many plant growth factors and is so required by the plant, that these are the reasons behind the debate...
Next point.
Hippie myth - FLUSHING!
You CAN NOT "flush" nutrients from a plant. SCIENTIFIC FACT!
Growmedsbayarea
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You can doubt it all you want but molasses helps your plant absorb all the nutes more effectively I understand that molasses doesn’t feed the plant but it sure does feed your living soil. You can have all your opinions on it and that’s fine but I’m seeing real good results with my grow because of it.
Growmedsbayarea
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Yea sure is a hippie myth lol look at the pics my flowers are barely going into the 4th week and are pretty frosty . I personally like molasses but I also feed my plants extra microbes and plant probiotics.
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Growmedsbayarea
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It’s good to flush in the last 2 weeks or last week if you want to stretch it . When I say flush I mean only feed the plants ph’d water with no nutes that way you have clean white ash and a more enjoyable taste But it all depends on your nutrients that you use.
Dr. Who
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You "see" at you want to believe.....
Any carb will help increase some bio activity. Molasses is no better then most others. The use of molasses to increase taste and trich's.....Basically HIPPIE MYTH...
Extra microbes and "probiotic's" (probiotoic's - some one falling for sales hype?).....I brew my own. Higher living beneficial living bio counts then your store bought (and way overpriced) commercial products.
Not only that but, supplementing bio teas or whatever commercial product(s) your using, more then say twice a month...Waste of time and money.
Bet your strain that you picture is predisposed to produce trich's early and at a good concentration. What your doing has little to do with it.
I gave you actual plant science. Science I learned in college, running a 10 acre greenhouse, running a massive yew farm for the cancer drug taxol. Finally at 55, retiring to my own organic farm. I convinced 3 other local farms to join together to become the largest organic co-op farm system in the state. Bet pennies to dollars, I have been growing (cannabis) longer then you have been alive...
The point young man.
Open your mind to reality. Forget ALL the claims you read from nutrient and supplement makers!!!
Trying something once and proclaiming it the end all, do all solution. Nope, need plenty of runs to make that kind of call. Many strains tried and then, then you might have something...
So then, do you feed all your strains the same thing, at the same concentrations?
Get the same results?
Run after run?
This is Newbie central, isn't it?..............
Dr. Who
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FIRST OFF
That's NOT "flushing"!!!
SECONDLY
NO, it doesn't matter what nutrient you use!
As for "flushing" OR Fade for taste by reduction of "nutrients" in the plant material
I got asked about this in a PM by a member after seeing the disaster another thread became. He asked where to find books and papers on "flushing" and said he might try the "fade".
Here's my answer to him......I felt it needs to be seen,,,,,,again!
Your looking for post grad work. You would do better to search papers......The thing is, NOTHING in agriculture gets 'flushed" and that leads to little to no research in the area. You see, the thing is, the whole "idea" of "flushing is nonsense! Plants don't work that way! They do not take up nutrients or salts as most of you think of them! They do not "store" them in the sense you think of them! Not only that, but the nutritional "stores" in a plant are not in buds or budding or flowers! NO amount of "flushing" will "exchange" plant "stored" nutrition back "out" of the plant! Scientifically impossible by the way most of you guys understand......Ok, that's my word on "flushing". (No one listens to this in threads if they don't want to hear it or accept it.)
Now then, you propose the "FADE TO FINISH" method. Great idea in theory but, and this IS a BIG BUT! Remember when I said above that "the nutritional "stores" in a plant are not in buds or budding or flowers!" ? This shoots that theory in the ass right away. You see the main amount of stored nutrition is in either the roots and the rest in leaves and some in small amounts in transit in the phloam (the sap that actually moves the nutrients around the plant)......
Now when you "starve a plant" it will draw from it's self by actually breaking down the needed parts of it's self to do an "emergency" attempt to reproduce! (This can happen in certain plants even in veg! A kind of last ditch effort to continue the species.)
With that in mind you take the fact that the plant is not "moving" nutrients "out" of buds, but into them to speed growth and as fast as it can - "reproduce". This single minded process the plant now puts it's self on causes the plant to stress it's self. This self induced stress can, in many cases if done long enough, lead the plant to go bisexual, and produce "banana's" in a last ditch effort to reproduce and "carry on the line" and produce seeds...
Basically put, In reality you are moving nutrients that you're "attempting" to get rid of,,right to where your trying to remove them from! You are also stressing the plant in the way for "Herming" to actually happen easier!
I and many others that have tried to convey this actual plant science, are called everything you can think of and those 'impossible of understanding these facts", fight so hard against us that many of us have simply chosen to avoid the issue or don't fight to hard.
Anyway, there you are in as short and sweet and as simple/understandable as I can...
The thing is you have to understand Botany and Horticulture (and there are LOTS of subsections to those that are involved here) to truly put together the pieces of the puzzle to get your head wrapped around the idea that flushing and the "fade" don't work for what they are intended or alleged to actually do!
There you go Mods, nice, polite and to the point. (Sorry about the other thread Sunni)
There you go, Now have at it!
I'm stepping back to watch the circus.
Read this too!
https://www.rollitup.org/t/the-truth-about-flushing.409622/
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Jacob_
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Thank you! When I started this thread, it was to get insight and have others be able to look in and learn a few things themselves. In the process, watching some of the responses I learned tha threads on RIU can quite easily go south. For those that offered advice, thank you. And as far as an update on the original plant in question....she’s happy af. Cheers all!
