Are we just smarter animals faking morality because we wear clothes?

Buddha2525

Buddha2525

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I think this is an interesting thought someone else commented on.. To those in the other thread, that I unintentionally derailed, I apologise. So I will continue here answering comments from there for now on. Again Icm very sorry.

Moving on....

But what are we really? Do the random thoughts we have while stoned define our true self which only comes out without the filter society places on us to act a certain way?

That's the real reason marijuana is banned. It makes us question why we do things, but at the same time leaves us unmotivated to act upon them. But the man is afraid one day some motivated stoner might come along and wreck havok on our society.
 
Buddha2525

Buddha2525

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Hugo Phurst said:
Hmmmm....
What makes you think that things like empathy and morality are exclusive to humanity?
Just a thought.
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Animals have it to a certain degree, but all evidence points to them not truly understaning their true mortality. That makes us unique. How much of our so called morality is only from perceived superiority? Would how we treat each other change if say an alien came breeding us as their food the same we do to animals?

Shows like Star Trek get into that question, and most assume we magically become united for the common good forgetting all the petty bullshit we currently have. Or does that pettyness define what we as humans really are, and will never change?

While the show Alien Nation assumes those on the alien ship would consider those who were put in the position of waste disposal had to resort to cannibalism and even when freed, are still despised.

If animals could talk like in Narnia, would we still eat them like the giants, or be disgusted like the children?
 
Buddha2525

Buddha2525

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lokie said:
There are videos of wild animals helping, even saving, other animals lives. As well
as there are several species of animals that mate for life.
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Science argues those mechanisms come from.different means.

"Peterson proposes a functional definition of morality: ‘The function of morality, or the moral organ, is to negotiate the inherent serious conflict between self and others', he claims. But humans and animals negotiate ‘conflict' by fundamentally different means."

But they then double speak our uniqueness agrees with creationists.

"Many scientists reject any notion that human beings have abilities that are profoundly different from other animals. To do so, they fear, will give ammunition to creationists and spiritualists."

All the while also we are the only animal who doesn't get their "morality" through genetic instincts and we must learn morality, and our real instinct is to act out of self preservation like George from Seinfeld did trampling over kids.

"Human beings, unlike other animals, are able to reflect on and make judgements about our own and others' actions, and as a result we are able to make considered moral choices.

We are not born with this ability. As the developmental psychologist Jean Piaget showed, children progress from a very limited understanding of morality to a more sophisticated understanding."

How many of us would push a button to save several lives, and be personally responsible for redirecting a train to kill one who would've not died without your interference of "the good of the many outweights the needs of the few?"

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/reclaiming-childhood/201106/only-humans-have-morality-not-animals

 
srh88

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Buddha2525 said:
I think this is an interesting thought someone else commented on.. To those in the other thread, that I unintentionally derailed, I apologise. So I will continue here answering comments from there for now on. Again Icm very sorry.

Moving on....

But what are we really? Do the random thoughts we have while stoned define our true self which only comes out without the filter society places on us to act a certain way?

That's the real reason marijuana is banned. It makes us question why we do things, but at the same time leaves us unmotivated to act upon them. But the man is afraid one day some motivated stoner might come along and wreck havok on our society.
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This isnt a good thread and you should feel bad for making it
 
Fogdog

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Buddha2525 said:
Animals have it to a certain degree, but all evidence points to them not truly understaning their true mortality. That makes us unique. How much of our so called morality is only from perceived superiority? Would how we treat each other change if say an alien came breeding us as their food the same we do to animals?

Shows like Star Trek get into that question, and most assume we magically become united for the common good forgetting all the petty bullshit we currently have. Or does that pettyness define what we as humans really are, and will never change?

While the show Alien Nation assumes those on the alien ship would consider those who were put in the position of waste disposal had to resort to cannibalism and even when freed, are still despised.

If animals could talk like in Narnia, would we still eat them like the giants, or be disgusted like the children?
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Did the OP really just cite Star Trek, Alien Nation and Narnia to back up his human-centered assumption that people aren't animals and ignorance of studies that show animals demonstrate traits such as a sense of fairness and inequity?

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/wolves-and-dogs-both-have-sense-fairness-180963638/

also, his talk of magic and fairy tales reminds me that he believes in creationism.
 
Buddha2525

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Fogdog said:
Did the OP really just cite Star Trek, Alien Nation and Narnia to back up his human-centered assumption that people aren't animals and ignorance of studies that show animals demonstrate traits such as a sense of fairness and inequity?

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/wolves-and-dogs-both-have-sense-fairness-180963638/

also, his talk of magic and fairy tales reminds me that he believes in creationism.
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I'm a vegan. Animals are more moral than humans, only looking to survive. All we have is an apparent superiority that we made up. We're polluting the planet and using up resources that the Earth can no longer recover from.

Jesus Christ is a trap upon lazy dipshits who think saying they can repent and magically no longer need to work through their accumulated karma.

Creationism is a made up lie, it's an illusion of our perception keeping us stuck in the cycles of rebirth which seem to go on forever.

For your mocking, and arrogance assuming you know what I believe, enjoy coming back as the dog in your avatar.
 
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wompaa

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Buddha2525 said:
I think this is an interesting thought someone else commented on.. To those in the other thread, that I unintentionally derailed, I apologise. So I will continue here answering comments from there for now on. Again Icm very sorry.

Moving on....

But what are we really? Do the random thoughts we have while stoned define our true self which only comes out without the filter society places on us to act a certain way?

That's the real reason marijuana is banned. It makes us question why we do things, but at the same time leaves us unmotivated to act upon them. But the man is afraid one day some motivated stoner might come along and wreck havok on our society.
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We are microbes evolved to do this and talk, communication probley our best achievment as a microbman, like a caveman but less, you see earth is where it's at and it's where we end up as plamt food ... strange but true, eaten by what we 1st came.

you know you get predatory microbes ... spmething to think about.
 
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