Opinions on adding 660nm

Humple

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Well, it was bound to happen eventually - just like building and upgrading PCs, the Gear Acquisition Syndrome has finally kicked in, a year or so after completing the first of my QB120 fixtures. Folks who know me on this forum can probably recall the skepticism I've expressed around "spectrum-tuning", but despite my doubts, I am absolutely open to the idea; hopefully we'll soon see more data on this, as more peeps run the newer products, like the QB96 and the stuff from ChilLED. All that said, I must confess that my main motivation is just the old itch to play around - I'll consider it a bonus if I see measurable, positive results.

So this is what I'm currently working with (times two): 4xQB120s at 3000k, maxing at 250 watts, in a 31"x31" tent. Here's a pic of one of the fixtures, but the two are identical.
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The dimensions are 21"x26".

So the first question is: how much 660nm would you add? I've seen recommendations for 8-10% of the total white light, but I don't know if that approach has a strong basis. But using that as a starting point, the first solution that comes to mind would be a single 130 degree QB11 at 20-25 watts, run down the center of the fixture. The biggest problem I see with that is spread. By the end of flower, I have buds practically kissing the 120s, so at that point, the 660nm wouldn't be hitting much of the canopy. (Note to HLG: the size of new far red strips would be perfect, if only I could get them in deep red! They could be attached in a cross formation, but distanced evenly across the light.)

Another option would be individual monos, like those solderless stars. The thing about using those is that I expect I might have to modify my frame by adding little sections of flat bar. I suppose it would be feasible to attach the diodes to the existing frame, but I don't know if doing that would allow me to achieve the optimal spread (though it would have to be better than a single strip run down the center).

Opinions? Suggestions? Corrections? What would you do, and how would you do it?

Thanks, peeps!
 

Humple

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Airwalker16

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Looks like a solid product, but right now I'm looking into straight 660nm options. I still don't know if that 8-10% idea has any merit, but I definitely want the ability to dial the deep red up or down, independently of the white light.
Go with cutter or HLG red boards then. That's your best option for sure.
 

Humple

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For you peeps with Cree XP-E HE 660nm experience (I know you guys are here somewhere), where can I find info on heatsink requirements? I grabbed the spec sheet from RapidLED's site, but it isn't telling me what I need to know (or I'm too ignorant to see it).
 

GBAUTO

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For you peeps with Cree XP-E HE 660nm experience (I know you guys are here somewhere), where can I find info on heatsink requirements? I grabbed the spec sheet from RapidLED's site, but it isn't telling me what I need to know (or I'm too ignorant to see it).
I run 16 of the XP-E 660 starboards on each of my Vero arrays. A simple LPC35-700 driver runs them and they are thermal epoxied to the aluminum framework perimeter. They barely get warm in operation. I figured adding approx. 10% of the total wattage of the array with 660nm would be sufficient and they definitely add a noticeable red hue to the room when they fire up.
 

Humple

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I run 16 of the XP-E 660 starboards on each of my Vero arrays. A simple LPC35-700 driver runs them and they are thermal epoxied to the aluminum framework perimeter. They barely get warm in operation. I figured adding approx. 10% of the total wattage of the array with 660nm would be sufficient and they definitely add a noticeable red hue to the room when they fire up.
Excellent, thanks for the info! What's the actual draw at the wall for those 16 on that driver? And how long have you been using them?

I'm starting to think 12 of the XP-E HE in solderless form would be the way to go. Adhere them to the frame and call it good. (I would need longer jumper cables than RapidLED sells with the stars though.) Then it would just be choosing a dimmable driver for them. I'm not very familiar with low-power drivers, but I assume Meanwell must have something sub-40w that has dimming.
 

GBAUTO

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It's right at 30W from the wall for each array. I have 14 of the 660's and 2 390's on each driver. I used the 6" leads but did have to add some length to a few sections-practice soldering. I suppose you could use an LDD driver to dim with. I only add the XP-E's during flower so they cycle with the rest of the fixture during on times.
 

hybridway2

Amare Shill
Does Amare get ANY recognition for using Monos to enhance the white 5 yrs ago or so? As soon as they could get efficient 660's last yr they added them. Prior to that 630's were used. They've always had the 730's incorporated. So added reds along with the 470 filling the gap in regular white for full spectrum & 65k to the 3k top bin Cob since day one.
Hate to sound like I'm seeking attention for them but it does get a lil annoying for them to get passed up on recognition here on RIU when theyve been enhancing for a good reason for quite some yrs now.
 
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hybridway2

Amare Shill
Looks like a solid product, but right now I'm looking into straight 660nm options. I still don't know if that 8-10% idea has any merit, but I definitely want the ability to dial the deep red up or down, independently of the white light.
Why not get the 660 / 730 red stick HLG sells? Cause they're sold out? Personally I feel the IR is just as important & is one reason why HPS comes I at such a low umol/j of like 1.3 or something seeing how the meters only measure the McCree curve.
no amor for amare. i just dont see em anywhere. how much are they @hybridway2

i do want some more red.

growmau5 and co on the roundtable were talking spectrum and more red this week. just a shame only one of em knew what they were talking about. its about time Vader manned up with leds
Amares are generally $1.63/w when buying direct. Prob a lil much for the average DIY'r but not for people who want a solid pre-made fixture under warranty.
 
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lukio

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I feel the IR
i just turn my heating up, its winter anyway (: leaf surface temp is very important imo - 1200w in a 4x8 is toasty. run my tents about 28c/82f

Why not get the 660 / 730 red stick HLG sells? Cause they're sold out
i havent looked recently, wanted more red for ages. The XP-E HE in solder-less form sound good too.

Amares are generally $1.63/w
not too bad i guess. where are they based?
 

Humple

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Does Amare get ANY recognition for using Monos to enhance the white 5 yrs ago or so? As soon as they could get efficient 660's last yr they added them. Prior to that 630's were used. They've always had the 730's incorporated. So added reds along with the 470 filling the gap in regular white for full spectrum & 65k to the 3k top bin Cob since day one.
Hate to sound like I'm seeking attention for them but it does get a lil annoying for them to get passed up on recognition here on RIU when theyve been enhancing for a good reason for quite some yrs now.
Well to be fair, Amare doesn't have much of a presence here on RiU. In fact, you're the only guy here that I know to have an Amare fixture. Out of sight, out of mind. If we saw more journals/reports/reviews of their products, that might change.
 

Moflow

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Why not get the 660 / 730 red stick HLG sells? Cause they're sold out? Personally I feel the IR is just as important & is one reason why HPS comes I at such a low umol/j of like 1.3 or something seeing how the meters only measure the McCree curve.

Amares are generally $1.63/w when buying direct. Prob a lil much for the average DIY'r but not for people who want a solid pre-made fixture under warranty.
I remember when you got a Lot of stick when you brought up Amare
 

Humple

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no amor for amare. i just dont see em anywhere. how much are they @hybridway2

i do want some more red.

growmau5 and co on the roundtable were talking spectrum and more red this week. just a shame only one of em knew what they were talking about. its about time Vader manned up with leds
Sub too, for that matter. I understand why they don't want to go through the adjustment period, as they have a certain level of production to maintain, but if they just threw up a tent somewhere, they could use that as a test-space to hone their LED-skills, and then they'd be off to the races. Haven't seen Loki on yet since they started up again, but he's a great poster boy for LED.
 

Humple

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Why not get the 660 / 730 red stick HLG sells? Cause they're sold out? Personally I feel the IR is just as important & is one reason why HPS comes I at such a low umol/j of like 1.3 or something seeing how the meters only measure the McCree curve.

Amares are generally $1.63/w when buying direct. Prob a lil much for the average DIY'r but not for people who want a solid pre-made fixture under warranty.
The 660/730 they sell is about 4 feet long, so it won't fit in either of my tents. I am eyeing their new, shorter far red strip though.
 
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