Light schedule question, 20/4 vs 18/6

[Blue back]

Call me old school but why does anyone even F around with autos. I don't no anyone that grow autos indoors. Just don't make sence to me. Just make 2 rooms.lol

 

[McStrats]

Call me old school but why does anyone even F around with autos. I don't no anyone that grow autos indoors. Just don't make sence to me. Just make 2 rooms.lol

Your question should be why mess around with photos when autos are just as good and you only need 1 room instead of 2? - I can also pull a LB from 4 autos in 75 days and no one...I mean no one could tell they aren't anything but great cannabis?

If you're growing small quantities in doors in 2018 photos make zero sense to me..maybe 5 to 10 years ago photos were better, but today I'd put Mephisto, Dinafem and HSC up there with anyone.

 

[MATTYMATT726]

Call me old school but why does anyone even F around with autos.(?) I don't (k)no(w) anyone that(who) grow(s) autos indoors. Just don't make sence(sense) to me. Just make 2 rooms.(insert space)lol

Old school or just plain dumb? Go troll and waste other people's time elsewhere. Learn to spell as well.

 

[rollinronan]

Call me old school but why does anyone even F around with autos. I don't no anyone that grow autos indoors. Just don't make sence to me. Just make 2 rooms.lol

some people dont have the space for seperate grow and veg areas. why would you come into the autoflowering section with an opinion like that anyway? we are all here to learn from eachother not belittle.

 

[CikaBika]

Not at all!

Grow something bullet proof like 3 Bears OG or Dinafem Bubba Kush and download the mephisto grow guide. If you follow it to a T..and as long as you have good environment, you can't help but end up with great cannabis. Trust me!...if I can do it anyone can

Only strain that blew my mind was Soour Crinkle, but again I fckd up drying (mid of winter on attic) I jarred them too soon and got fckn white mold.. I was so pissed.Second I don't have permit place to grow, So almost every grow is my last one, and places where I set up my tent arent always grow frendly (unisolated attic for exsample where in spring temps. comes to 30c..So that Is another problem...And nobody except my wife dont know that I grow,And she has big family So from time to time we have some guests,And I live in 3 rooms apartment so that place is no grow zone.. Currently I have 2 Samsquatch OG,3x 4 assed monkeys,3x 24carat..I grew one already but had to cut him early due to bud. rot.. It gets you high but nothing special.. thrichomes were 50/50 cloudy/clear.. Is 3 bears og INDICA enough? I really liked Blue auto chees from dinafem..super tasty candy like weed ,with nice indica high..mellow high.. And Yes I belive I manage my grow skills more or less ok.. But there is always something..Security/family,pests,bud rot, or some of my Idiotic moves that I'm prone to do..

 

[CikaBika]

i understand that they grow well like that but would they respond like photos being reveged?

I think you will get only shitty yield.. Try to google it a little.. And yes you cant stunt them,but It will again affect the yield..

 

[CikaBika]

Call me old school but why does anyone even F around with autos. I don't no anyone that grow autos indoors. Just don't make sence to me. Just make 2 rooms.lol

because in 80 days you can have bomb ass weed,dont need to fck with light cycles,light leaks, power shortages etc etc..Our autos dont give a fck for any of that, I see photoP like some wimpy feminised guy ,and our autos as fckn navy seal...

 

[Blue back]

To each his own guys. Good luck

 

[MATTYMATT726]

To each his own guys. Good luck

Thats the point. Nobody needs luck here. You came into a section titled "AUTO FLOWERING SECTION" full of pages and topics, say i never seen anyone i know grow them indoors and 9 out of every 10 posts will have pics of indoor autos from growers killing it better than so called expert photo growers. You need the luck if your going in every auto thread trolling rather than going to the photo sections with youre grow pics/logs.

 

[shushubandora]

Call me old school but why does anyone even F around with autos. I don't no anyone that grow autos indoors. Just don't make sence to me. Just make 2 rooms.lol

I think it's hard to compete with photo period yield, if you do it good an pick good female and experience with it. Then sure, it will bit any auto outhere. But most of auto growers just wants a good smoke, no need for second room, none of this hermie bullshit and always start from seed

 

[Heisenbeans]

All I do is AUTOS .....

Autos are wired to FLIP on it’s own anywhere from 20 - 35 days .... the THIRD WHEEL addition of RUDERALIS was introduced because of its short grow cycle and temperament to weather harsher environments ( like Russia and Asia ). But because breeders want only those aspects , other things can happen. Some exhibit a characteristic similar to photos sometimes.... needing to be “ forced “ in to flower.

A true autoflower will thrive under any cycle , with 12/12 being the weakest. Reason being it handicaps the already SHORT VEG and it’s quick sexing. You can get auto males also.
Most breeders have to continually refine offerings as consistency is an issue.

ALL PLANTS have a circadian rhythm as do people .... certain biological processes happen “ in the dark “ .... plants will exhibit a DROOP as its internal clock powers down . It is not to say 24/0 won’t work on some strains .... but you need at a minimum of 16-18 hours of light for vegging an auto properly. I grow always on 18/6 . I find that with a dark period my plants express more fragrance .

It is a can of worms on this subject of dark time but because stomas open and close , photosynthesis increases and decreases during a set day , keeping a REGULAR schedule only supplements the plant to perform as designed.

I have run all cycles on particular runs ....
24 / 0
20 / 4
18 / 6
12 / 12

The following pertains to AUTOS ONLY : ( as regular photoperiod express interesting things with cycle play ) and may throw a thread out on that.

Autos are plug and play .... nothing else. Pick any cycle above 12. Increased DAYLIGHT hours
SUPPLEMENTS THE SHORT VEG .... meaning to maximize the root growth hit with a high daytime cycle. Also .... an overlooked part of good auto performance is the choice of medium used .... soil is standard BUT SOILESS brings the biggest plants....... period.

DWC , DUTCH BUCKET , HEMPY GROWS will reward you with much bigger autos. The Rootmass will explode in highly aerated mediums . Soil grows can be both positive and negative because root mass has to spend some time becoming acclimated to its new home.
I grew soil and SOILESS to compare ... it’s like night and day.

Autos can be finicky eaters , less is more in most cases. Disregard breeder estimates on harvest windows. All auto flowers harden off better UNDER 90 days. ( most cases ) Timing from seed germ is a waste of time. Only a week AFTER it transitioned to flower ( stretch / branch out / hardening j will be the time to “ count “ .... Example : 5 weeks to preflower ( day 35 ) , now at actual flower you run 8 weeks ( 56 days ) ... equals 91 days as mentioned above. This can vary with dwarfy mixes and low Ryder’s , 60 day Wonder and such .This why most fail by cutting them down based on how long it was running not on actual maturity. It’s like growing fruit ... it’s done when it’s done.

There some TRICKS to do with autos ( soil is a bit slower sometimes) so try this.

Run seed to week 5 on 24/0 ( just like a clone ) ... giving max VEG TIME .
Once it sexes out drop cycle to 20/4 for transition/ flower .... finish at this.

Or

Once it sexes out drop cycle to 20/4 for transition / preflower until stretch then drop again
to 18/6. Finish it on this.

You are making out the structure and veg initially , then when it flips gear to flower you are manipulating it to flower longer than 12 and giving it a dark period to process starches and expand cellular growth. You will find your girls becoming fragrant as it goes thru respiration.

Try it .

Best post on this entire thread and spot on.

 

[CikaBika]

Best post on this entire thread and spot on.

isnt a fuckery name your seed company with another company strain name ???

 

[5BY5LEC]

All I do is AUTOS .....

Autos are wired to FLIP on it’s own anywhere from 20 - 35 days .... the THIRD WHEEL addition of RUDERALIS was introduced because of its short grow cycle and temperament to weather harsher environments ( like Russia and Asia ). But because breeders want only those aspects , other things can happen. Some exhibit a characteristic similar to photos sometimes.... needing to be “ forced “ in to flower.

A true autoflower will thrive under any cycle , with 12/12 being the weakest. Reason being it handicaps the already SHORT VEG and it’s quick sexing. You can get auto males also.
Most breeders have to continually refine offerings as consistency is an issue.

ALL PLANTS have a circadian rhythm as do people .... certain biological processes happen “ in the dark “ .... plants will exhibit a DROOP as its internal clock powers down . It is not to say 24/0 won’t work on some strains .... but you need at a minimum of 16-18 hours of light for vegging an auto properly. I grow always on 18/6 . I find that with a dark period my plants express more fragrance .

It is a can of worms on this subject of dark time but because stomas open and close , photosynthesis increases and decreases during a set day , keeping a REGULAR schedule only supplements the plant to perform as designed.

I have run all cycles on particular runs ....
24 / 0
20 / 4
18 / 6
12 / 12

The following pertains to AUTOS ONLY : ( as regular photoperiod express interesting things with cycle play ) and may throw a thread out on that.

Autos are plug and play .... nothing else. Pick any cycle above 12. Increased DAYLIGHT hours
SUPPLEMENTS THE SHORT VEG .... meaning to maximize the root growth hit with a high daytime cycle. Also .... an overlooked part of good auto performance is the choice of medium used .... soil is standard BUT SOILESS brings the biggest plants....... period.

DWC , DUTCH BUCKET , HEMPY GROWS will reward you with much bigger autos. The Rootmass will explode in highly aerated mediums . Soil grows can be both positive and negative because root mass has to spend some time becoming acclimated to its new home.
I grew soil and SOILESS to compare ... it’s like night and day.

Autos can be finicky eaters , less is more in most cases. Disregard breeder estimates on harvest windows. All auto flowers harden off better UNDER 90 days. ( most cases ) Timing from seed germ is a waste of time. Only a week AFTER it transitioned to flower ( stretch / branch out / hardening j will be the time to “ count “ .... Example : 5 weeks to preflower ( day 35 ) , now at actual flower you run 8 weeks ( 56 days ) ... equals 91 days as mentioned above. This can vary with dwarfy mixes and low Ryder’s , 60 day Wonder and such .This why most fail by cutting them down based on how long it was running not on actual maturity. It’s like growing fruit ... it’s done when it’s done.

There some TRICKS to do with autos ( soil is a bit slower sometimes) so try this.

Run seed to week 5 on 24/0 ( just like a clone ) ... giving max VEG TIME .
Once it sexes out drop cycle to 20/4 for transition/ flower .... finish at this.

Or

Once it sexes out drop cycle to 20/4 for transition / preflower until stretch then drop again
to 18/6. Finish it on this.

You are making out the structure and veg initially , then when it flips gear to flower you are manipulating it to flower longer than 12 and giving it a dark period to process starches and expand cellular growth. You will find your girls becoming fragrant as it goes thru respiration.

Try it .

Nice. This is good advice. Getting ready to run autos for the first time, just to try.

 

[Lund-o]

I think it's hard to compete with photo period yield, if you do it good an pick good female and experience with it. Then sure, it will bit any auto outhere. But most of auto growers just wants a good smoke, no need for second room, none of this hermie bullshit and always start from seed

You can yield 4+ ounces from seed with a photo in 11 weeks??

 

[shushubandora]

You can yield 4+ ounces from seed with a photo in 11 weeks??

You can reach gr/watt with photo and grow the same one over and over and over....till perfection. You can LST as much as you want and with additional room it's the most professional method.

Can you reach 4+ pounds in 20+ weeks from seed using auto?

I grow auto for many reasons (I grow 100-150gr). Big yield is not one of them

 

[MATTYMATT726]

You can reach gr/watt with photo and grow the same one over and over and over....till perfection. You can LST as much as you want and with additional room it's the most professional method.

Can you reach 4+ pounds in 20+ weeks from seed using auto?

I grow auto for many reasons (I grow 100-150gr). Big yield is not one of them

You grow the wrong autos friend. DP auto Mazar got over a lb few years ago. Seymourbudz i believe its google able. Mephisto Genetics have strains at over 210 and up to 300 grams a plant in optimal settings.

 

[Lund-o]

You can reach gr/watt with photo and grow the same one over and over and over....till perfection. You can LST as much as you want and with additional room it's the most professional method.

Can you reach 4+ pounds in 20+ weeks from seed using auto?

I grow auto for many reasons (I grow 100-150gr). Big yield is not one of them

In 20 weeks I harvest over 5lbs with autos, so yes.

 

[shushubandora]

You grow the wrong autos friend. DP auto Mazar got over a lb few years ago. Seymourbudz i believe its google able. Mephisto Genetics have strains at over 210 and up to 300 grams a plant in optimal settings.

Optimal setting... The think different that reach one pound used 750w... The commercial growers grow photo for a reason, they spend thousands on electrical bill. Feel free to convince Tham that auto seed with unknown yield with 24hrs light is better. Again I gtow auto and ilke it, no need to convince me

 

[MATTYMATT726]

Optimal setting... The think different that reach one pound used 750w... The commercial growers grow photo for a reason, they spend thousands on electrical bill. Feel free to convince Tham that auto seed with unknown yield with 24hrs light is better. Again I gtow auto and ilke it, no need to convince me

Photo plants grow best in OPTIMAL conditions as well. Not every photo can hit over a lb so just stop pal. The only ones that still debate on better yeilds/quality in photos vs autos are the ones that still cant figure out how to grow autos successfully.

 

[shushubandora]

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Photo plants grow best in OPTIMAL conditions as well. Not every photo can hit over a lb so just stop pal. The only ones that still debate on better yeilds/quality in photos vs autos are the ones that still cant figure out how to grow autos successfully.

lets assume i have 600W HPS lamp.
if i buy 5 super lemon haze seeds for example, do pheno hunt, clones + trellis. learn this strain i will reach 1gr/w every 60days. ofc i need another grow room and clones etc. but its possible
now lets assume i buy top notch 5 Mephisto seeds (50 euro). should i grow 2 or 5 to fill my room? guarantee to fill all space and get 1gr/w?

i work as quality Eng in manufacturing for 12 years now. there are 4 parameters all commercial manufacturing and growers need to follow
Cycle time: with photo i can target 60 days all time and reach this target, there are F1 (photo cross with auto) that even reach 40 days. sure i need another room and another light but at the end i can reduce my cycle time compare to auto
Availability: with photo i can stress, grow, change pots, trellis, clone... fill ALL my room every grow using same strain over and over, nearly impossible with auto
Cost: photo require 12hours light and thats the biggest cost for growers. sure you need anther room but its no where near 24hours of light
Yield: with photo you can reach high yield using same strain over and over and over, pass the strain to someone else and now GG4 is grown in all USA, Canada, UK and France.
not to mention focus on taste, THC/CBD levels...

none the less i grow auto, why? cause i grow 100W aim for 50 gram and if its 15%THC i am happy