you really need to get on IG, you'd see how many new younger ones that are on there, and to be honest, if you are to believe what the parents are, they are much better than these same old same ole, maybe one two new hype crosses every year deals. And people can believe or not, they have good reports from more than their minions. That's when you know chuckin is not that hard, but there is a trick to good plant picking, and some folks are just going ahead and living their dream. From the money they are charging, they aren't in it for that yet, seems like they are just glad t get their gear out there. imho