Jordan Peterson

Buddha2525

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I don't know his personal reasons, but I assume it has to do with where each of cultures is currently.
My point is, you give me a hard time over karma, which is essentially Newton's 3rd law, chaos theory, and DNA inheritance. Once any universe(multiverse bubble theory, kalpa theory) comes into existence, if a 4th dimensional observer existed, he could calculate the one and only way the chain reaction of events unfolds, called a Kalpa with karma in Buddhism.

Perterson believes original sin is legit. Name one scientific theory that traces the source of why we die to eating a poison apple? But you don't call him on that. Why?

The only questionable Buddhist theory is Aether(Akasha). But science is realizing through unified field theory, by merging general relativity with string theory, some sort of medium carries electrical fields, like light waves, to make things work, and is possibly related to dark energy/matter.
 

Beefbisquit

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My point is, you give me a hard time over karma, which is essentially Newton's 3rd law, chaos theory, and DNA inheritance. Once any universe(multiverse bubble theory, kalpa theory) comes into existence, if a 4th dimensional observer existed, he could calculate the one and only way the chain reaction of events unfolds, called a Kalpa with karma in Buddhism.

Perterson believes original sin is legit. Name one scientific theory that traces the source of why we die to eating a poison apple? But you don't call him on that. Why?

The only questionable Buddhist theory is Aether(Akasha). But science is realizing through unified field theory, by merging general relativity with string theory, some sort of medium carries electrical fields, like light waves, to make things work, and is possibly related to dark energy/matter.
Karma has nothing to do with physics. That's false equivocation. We can't measure emotional 'force' and then measure the 'reaction' from that force.

Peterson is weird about religion, and I don't agree with him in most parts. He calls the biblical story a "meta-story" but to my knowledge has never confirmed or denied his belief in it's literal sense. What does this have to do with karma?

The only questionable buddhist "theory"? With regards to what? Science?
 

Buddha2525

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Karma has nothing to do with physics. That's false equivocation. We can't measure emotional 'force' and then measure the 'reaction' from that force.

Peterson is weird about religion, and I don't agree with him in most parts. He calls the biblical story a "meta-story" but to my knowledge has never confirmed or denied his belief in it's literal sense. What does this have to do with karma?

The only questionable buddhist "theory"? With regards to what? Science?
What it has to do with karma is how you equivocate new age hocus pocus with what the Buddha taught about karma. Now that shit ain't scientific. Buddhist sutras don't teach karma is a magical score card tallying all you good and bad like Santa.


Your conception of karma is false. Karma is only cause and effect. Several types of math can deal with the concept, like markov decision process and bayesian distribution.

Karma isn't the voodoo so many good deeds are followed by equal bad deeds.

It's just a concept. That the more fucked up things you do, the more you have to keep track of the lies you need to tell so you don't get caught. If you're constantly trying to decieve, that leaves less time for your meditation, etc.

Buddhism is both religion and science as one. The goal is to monitor what you do, compare, and them compensate. What the Buddha did was very scientific without having access to calculus, or Euclid geometry.

He was very much aware of concepts like sympathetic and parasympathetic CNS, because he used yogic methods. He knew about the unconscious and conscious mind, and how through repetition do classical conditioning.

He knew about volition versus motivation.

The only difference is Buddhism calls the same concepts by different names and groups them differently. Much like how self is described slightly by both Freud and Jung, but come to the same basic conclusion.
 

New Age United

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What it has to do with karma is how you equivocate new age hocus pocus with what the Buddha taught about karma. Now that shit ain't scientific. Buddhist sutras don't teach karma is a magical score card tallying all you good and bad like Santa.


Your conception of karma is false. Karma is only cause and effect. Several types of math can deal with the concept, like markov decision process and bayesian distribution.

Karma isn't the voodoo so many good deeds are followed by equal bad deeds.

It's just a concept. That the more fucked up things you do, the more you have to keep track of the lies you need to tell so you don't get caught. If you're constantly trying to decieve, that leaves less time for your meditation, etc.

Buddhism is both religion and science as one. The goal is to monitor what you do, compare, and them compensate. What the Buddha did was very scientific without having access to calculus, or Euclid geometry.

He was very much aware of concepts like sympathetic and parasympathetic CNS, because he used yogic methods. He knew about the unconscious and conscious mind, and how through repetition do classical conditioning.

He knew about volition versus motivation.

The only difference is Buddhism calls the same concepts by different names and groups them differently. Much like how self is described slightly by both Freud and Jung, but come to the same basic conclusion.
So you're saying that karma exists entirely in the psyche it's not actually a physical reaction from the universe??? I think that would hold a lot more weight than the common concept.
 

Buddha2525

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So you're saying that karma exists entirely in the psyche it's not actually a physical reaction from the universe??? I think that would hold a lot more weight than the common concept.
Yes. We all create the world we live. But at times conflict exists between our perception and the ultimate reality. Such as with mass hysteria, or psychosomatic delusion. What we believe can influence our body's physical reaction to a psychological response, only to a certain point.

What's normally thought of as karma is only a tendency, but can often seem to violate it. That's because karma is only one of five forces "controlling" our end results.

"Being created by an Almighty God who controls our destinies and predetermines our future, or being produced by an irresistible Karma that completely determines our fate and controls our life’s course, independent of any free action on our part, is essentially the same. The only difference lies in the two words God and Karma. One could easily be substituted for the other, because the ultimate operation of both forces would be identical.

Such a fatalistic doctrine is not the Buddhist law of Karma.

According to Buddhism, there are five orders or processes (niyama) which operate in the physical and mental realms.

They are:

  1. Utu Niyama- physical inorganic order, e.g. seasonal phenomena of winds and rains. The unerring order of seasons, characteristic seasonal changes and events, causes of winds and rains, nature of heat, etc., all belong to this group.
  2. Bija Niyama - order of germs and seeds (physical organic order), e.g. rice produced from rice-seed, sugary taste from sugar-cane or honey, peculiar characteristics of certain fruits, etc. The scientific theory of cells and genes and the physical similarity of twins may be ascribed to this order.
  3. Karma Niyama - order of act and result, e.g., desirable and undesirable acts produce corresponding good and bad results. As surely as water seeks its own level so does Karma, given opportunity, produce its inevitable result, not in the form of a reward or punishment but as an innate sequence. This sequence of deed and effect is as natural and necessary as the way of the sun and the moon.
  4. Dhamma Niyama- order of the norm, e.g., the natural phenomena occurring at the advent of a Bodhisattva in his last birth. Gravitation and other similar laws of nature. The natural reason for being good and so forth, may be included in this group.
  5. Citta Niyama - order or mind or psychic law, e.g., processes of consciousness, arising and perishing of consciousness, constituents of consciousness, power of mind, etc., including telepathy, telaesthesia, retro-cognition, premonition, clairvoyance, clairaudience, thought-reading and such other psychic phenomena which are inexplicable to modern science."

https://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/karma.htm
 

New Age United

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Yes. We all create the world we live. But at times conflict exists between our perception and the ultimate reality. Such as with mass hysteria, or psychosomatic delusion. What we believe can influence our body's physical reaction to a psychological response, only to a certain point.

What's normally thought of as karma is only a tendency, but can often seem to violate it. That's because karma is only one of five forces "controlling" our end results.

"Being created by an Almighty God who controls our destinies and predetermines our future, or being produced by an irresistible Karma that completely determines our fate and controls our life’s course, independent of any free action on our part, is essentially the same. The only difference lies in the two words God and Karma. One could easily be substituted for the other, because the ultimate operation of both forces would be identical.

Such a fatalistic doctrine is not the Buddhist law of Karma.

According to Buddhism, there are five orders or processes (niyama) which operate in the physical and mental realms.

They are:

  1. Utu Niyama- physical inorganic order, e.g. seasonal phenomena of winds and rains. The unerring order of seasons, characteristic seasonal changes and events, causes of winds and rains, nature of heat, etc., all belong to this group.
  2. Bija Niyama - order of germs and seeds (physical organic order), e.g. rice produced from rice-seed, sugary taste from sugar-cane or honey, peculiar characteristics of certain fruits, etc. The scientific theory of cells and genes and the physical similarity of twins may be ascribed to this order.
  3. Karma Niyama - order of act and result, e.g., desirable and undesirable acts produce corresponding good and bad results. As surely as water seeks its own level so does Karma, given opportunity, produce its inevitable result, not in the form of a reward or punishment but as an innate sequence. This sequence of deed and effect is as natural and necessary as the way of the sun and the moon.
  4. Dhamma Niyama- order of the norm, e.g., the natural phenomena occurring at the advent of a Bodhisattva in his last birth. Gravitation and other similar laws of nature. The natural reason for being good and so forth, may be included in this group.
  5. Citta Niyama - order or mind or psychic law, e.g., processes of consciousness, arising and perishing of consciousness, constituents of consciousness, power of mind, etc., including telepathy, telaesthesia, retro-cognition, premonition, clairvoyance, clairaudience, thought-reading and such other psychic phenomena which are inexplicable to modern science."

https://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/karma.htm
Yes that's right Buddha we all have experienced telepathy, clairvoyance and premonition we just don't have the nerve to discuss it. "The world is full of weariness, a man can not utter it".
 

UncleBuck

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FBI just labeled mcinnes’ group “extremist white nationalists”

Jordan Peterson is still friendly with them for some odd reason
 

UncleBuck

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I’ll just do the rebuttal for gimpywarrior:

“Just because he repeatedly does friendly interviews with a dozen right wing con artists who monetize off of vulnerable young white males by telling them they are the last remaining ubermenschen who can stop the vast hoards of unwashed filthy foreigners from destroying western civilization at the behest of cultural Marxist jews doesn't make them all nazis. Also that article he posted directly blaming Jews for everything was just something he posted”
 

ginjawarrior

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Just go to his twitter Facebook or YouTube pages

Jordan Peterson is very friendly with extremist Nazis like mcinnes, Spencer, molyneux, Watson, Shapiro and the like
So nothing but bare faced assertion from you?

Citations definitely needed buck
“ Also that article he posted directly blaming Jews for everything was just something he posted”
What article "directly blaming Jews"?

Citations needed buck

Youve proven yourself to lie many times over in this thread
 

UncleBuck

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So nothing but bare faced assertion from you?

Citations definitely needed buck

What article "directly blaming Jews"?

Citations needed buck

Youve proven yourself to lie many times over in this thread
Are you still trying to play dumb after this many times?

Should I just glue the article Peterson posted about “cultural Marxism” to your sad nazi forehead to save us both some time?

Btw, still waiting for you to post even one clip of Peterson facing down a single nazi like molyneux, mcinnes, Spencer, Watson, Shapiro or the like instead of going on their shows and delighting in spreading their nazi conspiracy theories about how college professors are destroying western civilization by pairing with the Jews to overrun us with those nasty immigrants
 

Buddha2525

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Are you still trying to play dumb after this many times?

Should I just glue the article Peterson posted about “cultural Marxism” to your sad nazi forehead to save us both some time?

Btw, still waiting for you to post even one clip of Peterson facing down a single nazi like molyneux, mcinnes, Spencer, Watson, Shapiro or the like instead of going on their shows and delighting in spreading their nazi conspiracy theories about how college professors are destroying western civilization by pairing with the Jews to overrun us with those nasty immigrants
Ben Shapiro, Jew Nazi! :dunce:
 

ginjawarrior

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Are you still trying to play dumb after this many times?

Should I just glue the article Peterson posted about “cultural Marxism” to your sad nazi forehead to save us both some time?

Btw, still waiting for you to post even one clip of Peterson facing down a single nazi like molyneux, mcinnes, Spencer, Watson, Shapiro or the like instead of going on their shows and delighting in spreading their nazi conspiracy theories about how college professors are destroying western civilization by pairing with the Jews to overrun us with those nasty immigrants
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adverb
adverb: directly
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things would progress much easier buck if you used the english language honestly
 
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