Trump takes sides with a murderer

[TacoMac]

Most of the "german-cultural meetings" of the 1930s and early 40s were not official Nazi sanctioned meetings but, were in all but name, Nazi rallies.

Nonsense.

There are still many German Cultural Centers around the world that have nothing to do and never had anything to do with the Nazi's. The Goethe Institute, of which I am a member, is one of them.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Nonsense.

There are still many German Cultural Centers around the world that have nothing to do and never had anything to do with the Nazi's. The Goethe Institute, of which I am a member, is one of them.

yeah, but this isn't the 30s or 40s, i suspect that many of them were indeed fronts for political groups at that time

 

[Fogdog]

Nonsense.

There are still many German Cultural Centers around the world that have nothing to do and never had anything to do with the Nazi's. The Goethe Institute, of which I am a member, is one of them.

Come on, man. You picked what you wanted out of Uncle Baldy's post and turned it into something else. If your point is that your current-day German clubhouse isn't Nazi, I'll grant you that. Baldy specified US Nazis of the 1930's and early 40's. After Hitler's takeover of government, German Cultural Centers around the world would most certainly have been affiliated with his brand of Nazis.

Agree that the neo-Nazis of today are just hooligan brawlers who like the company of other rugged men. That is not too different from the Nazis of the 1920's, out of which grew some seriously committed bastards who helped overthrow German Democracy in the 1930's. Doesn't matter if the US neo-Nazis of today are figurative "Nazis". They are a clear and present danger to our democracy.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

yeah, but this isn't the 30s or 40s, i suspect that many of them were indeed fronts for political groups at that time

Yup. I have known a lot of people who attended those Bund rallies. None of them would argue.

 

[schuylaar]

Nazis have been coming to Portland to raise hell. They raised Nazi salutes to their leaders and tried to parade through our streets. We held them in check until the police showed up to flush them. There were about 700 of them in one rally this summer.

what do you think their goal is?

 

[schuylaar]

Yes.

The only real one left is the old National Socialist Movement that was founded back in the early 1970's. Most of the other so-called Nazi parties are wanna-be's that come and go. Jeff Schoep runs it and has for years now.

oh..is that what they're calling it these days..german cultural club?

which region are you from?

 

[schuylaar]

Come on, man. You picked what you wanted out of Uncle Baldy's post and turned it into something else. If your point is that your current-day German clubhouse isn't Nazi, I'll grant you that. Baldy specified US Nazis of the 1930's and early 40's. After Hitler's takeover of government, German Cultural Centers around the world would most certainly have been affiliated with his brand of Nazis.

Agree that the neo-Nazis of today are just hooligan brawlers who like the company of other rugged men. That is not too different from the Nazis of the 1920's, out of which grew some seriously committed bastards who helped overthrow German Democracy in the 1930's. Doesn't matter if the US neo-Nazis of today are figurative "Nazis". They are a clear and present danger to our democracy.

+rep

 

[schuylaar]

is there actually an officially "recognized" nazi party? or is it just a bunch of skinhead assholes saluting hitler and telling each other that Aryans are better than everyone else....not that it matters much....just curious if they were in any way "sanctioned" ?

klanman david duke? they're into way more than lynchings..

 

[Unclebaldrick]

oh..is that what they're calling it these days..german cultural club?

which region are you from?

Translation: I have 17 posts in this therad with no likes.

Somebody said Germany. I found a picture and, because giving two +reps hasnt worked, I am going to show interest in you personally. Please like this. Please like this!

PLEASE LIKE THIS!!!!!!

 

[Fogdog]

what do you think their goal is?

Same role that the brown shirts had in the 1920's through 1930's. They plan to be the muscle that suppresses opposition to fascism. They are even calling liberals and progressives, "communists" who were the main targets of brown shirts in the 1920's. I think they are using Portland and other liberal cities to practice street fighting tactics in preparation for escalating the violence next year and especially during the 2020 election year.

Other actions that are reminiscent of the rise of Nazis to power in Post WW1 Germany are: Control of the police and courts. GOP is stacking the judiciary with their people. Nazis have infiltrated police departments and police have acted with the fascists in both Portland and Berkeley. ICE is his personal police force and the largest police organization in the country. Control of both the police and the courts are always key elements in dictatorship takeovers.

It is all an echo of the past, not an exact repeat. Trump's not ready for a take-over yet so there is still a chance we can get him out of office before he can seal the deal by replacing military leaders with his own people. Trump is also off golfing 100 days a year, which isn't exactly an indication that he even wants to rule the world. That and, Trump is wholly uninformed about the workings of the world. Still, I do see parallels between then and now.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

Same role that the brown shirts had in the 1920's through 1930's. They plan to be the muscle that suppresses opposition to fascism. They are even calling liberals and progressives, "communists" who were the main targets of brown shirts in the 1920's. I think they are using Portland and other liberal cities to practice street fighting tactics in preparation for escalating the violence next year and especially during the 2020 election year.

Other actions that are reminiscent of the rise of Nazis to power in Post WW1 Germany are: Control of the police and courts. GOP is stacking the judiciary with their people. Nazis have infiltrated police departments and police have acted with the fascists in both Portland and Berkeley. ICE is his personal police force and the largest police organization in the country. Control of both the police and the courts are always key elements in dictatorship takeovers.

It is all an echo of the past, not an exact repeat. Trump's not ready for a take-over yet so there is still a chance we can get him out of office before he can seal the deal by replacing military leaders with his own people. Trump is also off golfing 100 days a year, which isn't exactly an indication that he even wants to rule the world. That and, Trump is wholly uninformed about the workings of the world. Still, I do see parallels between then and now.

I can't wait until the "Proud Boys" all get arrested one night and the leader gets a bullet in the head.

Of course, that'll mean it has already gone too far.

 

[schuylaar]

Same role that the brown shirts had in the 1920's through 1930's. They plan to be the muscle that suppresses opposition to fascism. They are even calling liberals and progressives, "communists" who were the main targets of brown shirts in the 1920's. I think they are using Portland and other liberal cities to practice street fighting tactics in preparation for escalating the violence next year and especially during the 2020 election year.

Other actions that are reminiscent of the rise of Nazis to power in Post WW1 Germany are: Control of the police and courts. GOP is stacking the judiciary with their people. Nazis have infiltrated police departments and police have acted with the fascists in both Portland and Berkeley. ICE is his personal police force and the largest police organization in the country. Control of both the police and the courts are always key elements in dictatorship takeovers.

It is all an echo of the past, not an exact repeat. Trump's not ready for a take-over yet so there is still a chance we can get him out of office before he can seal the deal by replacing military leaders with his own people. Trump is also off golfing 100 days a year, which isn't exactly an indication that he even wants to rule the world. That and, Trump is wholly uninformed about the workings of the world. Still, I do see parallels between then and now.

that was my point and i agree with you.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

that was my point and i agree with you.

 

[TacoMac]

yeah, but this isn't the 30s or 40s, i suspect that many of them were indeed fronts for political groups at that time

If that were true, there wouldn't have been an entire network saving 10's of thousands of Jews and an entire organization dedicated to killing Adolf Hitler.

 

[Fogdog]

that was my point and i agree with you.

OK, I'm glad we sorted that out. Not really.

You do realize that the US Nazis pictured in your photo weren't anything like the ones who took over Germany, don't you? It was a tangential reference at best.

English is my first language. I've always been bad at mind reading. Your picture had none of the meaning you think you implied but now that it's sorted out, I'll just remember this as a tragedy too.

 

[schuylaar]

OK, I'm glad we sorted that out. Not really.

You do realize that the US Nazis pictured in your photo weren't anything like the ones who took over Germany, don't you? It was a tangential reference at best.

English is my first language. I've always been bad at mind reading. Your picture had none of the meaning you think you implied but now that it's sorted out, I'll just remember this as a tragedy too.

yet.

is there a nazi test? those men in white shirts and leather straps (the motorcycle cops) standing in the aisle were there to make certain no one leaves.

what kind of reference was charlottesville? the 700 who showed in your town? do we really need to split hairs?

RIU overlords allow you to agree with me once per year..happy holidays!

 

[schuylaar]

If that were true, there wouldn't have been an entire network saving 10's of thousands of Jews and an entire organization dedicated to killing Adolf Hitler.

*at the end..america and uk had no issue turning jews away until hitler dropped his garbage on uk doorstep.

everything was okey dokey as long as it was contained in germany, but the wasn't the long goal.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

yet.

is there a nazi test? those men in white shirts and leather straps (the motorcycle cops) standing in the aisle were there to make certain no one leaves.

what kind of reference was charlottesville? the 700 who showed in your town? do we really need to split hairs?

RIU overlords allow you to agree with me once per year..happy holidays!

So you blame Rollie for your lack of likes?

ITS RIGGED!!!

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

If that were true, there wouldn't have been an entire network saving 10's of thousands of Jews and an entire organization dedicated to killing Adolf Hitler.

look chief, i'm not telling you that many, many Germans weren't working against the nazis. what i am trying to tell you is that as many "social" groups at that point in time, if not more, were working for them, as against them. they most certainly sent organizer to get sympathizers together, and try to further their cause in America. and south America, and central Europe, and anywhere else they thought it might be to their benefit.

 

[TacoMac]

what i am trying to tell you is that as many "social" groups at that point in time, if not more, were working for them, as against them.

And you're flat out wrong.

That's like saying most meetings in this country are conducted exclusively by racist Trump supporters. The recent elections prove that completely and totally false, as did the behavior of the VAST majority of Germans in the 30's and 40's.

But it's like my dear friend and teacher said, "Let 30 Nazi's gather in Leipzig and it makes the CNN news cycle for a month. Let 1.75 million Germans gather in Berlin to shout them down, and nobody cares."