The "D" day pool, best guess as to when Trump is out

schuylaar

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Toobin: First day I thought Trump may not finish term
CNN's Jeffrey Toobin discusses Michael Cohen pleading guilty to lying to Congress about a proposed Trump Tower project in Moscow.
the GOP will end their support once they no longer can get anything from trump which will be soon..he will have the limited power of executive order only because of the House majority..pelosi will take care to owe him nothing..trump will try- she used to be an '8'.

what GOP does about is another thing because they have no spine.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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Opinion
Maybe They’re Just Bad People
Not all Trump support is ideological.
By Michelle Goldberg

Opinion Columnist
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/26/opinion/trump-supporters-bill-white-bryan-eure.html?fallback=0&recId=1DkkIKW7Jvkw9Acww7eNpTXIy4e&locked=0&geoContinent=NA&geoRegion=NS&recAlloc=most_popular&geoCountry=CA&blockId=most-popular&imp_id=948502562&action=click&module=Most Popular&pgtype=Homepage

Seven years ago, a former aide to Ralph Reed — who also worked, briefly, for Paul Manafort — published a tawdry, shallow memoir that is also one of the more revealing political books I’ve ever read. Lisa Baron was a pro-choice, pro-gay rights, hard-partying Jew who nonetheless made a career advancing the fortunes of the Christian right. She opened her book with an anecdote about performing oral sex on a future member of the George W. Bush administration during the 2000 primary, which, she wrote, “perfectly summed up my groupie-like relationship to politics at that time — I wanted it, I worshiped it, and I went for it.”

It’s not exactly a secret that politics is full of amoral careerists lusting — literally or figuratively — for access to power. Still, if you’re interested in politics because of values and ideas, it can be easier to understand people who have foul ideologies than those who don’t have ideologies at all. Steve Bannon, a quasi-fascist with delusions of grandeur, makes more sense to me than Anthony Scaramucci, a political cipher who likes to be on TV. I don’t think I’m alone. Consider all the energy spent trying to figure out Ivanka Trump’s true beliefs, when she’s shown that what she believes most is that she’s entitled to power and prestige.

Baron’s book, “Life of the Party: A Political Press Tart Bares All,” is useful because it is a self-portrait of a cynical, fame-hungry narcissist, a common type but one underrepresented in the stories we tell about partisan combat. A person of limited self-awareness — she seemed to think readers would find her right-wing exploits plucky and cute — Baron became Reed’s communications director because she saw it as a steppingstone to her dream job, White House press secretary, a position she envisioned in mostly sartorial terms. (“Outfits would be planned around the news of the day,” she wrote.) Reading Baron’s story helped me realize emotionally something I knew intellectually. It’s tempting for those of us who interpret politics for a living to overstate the importance of competing philosophies. We shouldn't forget the enduring role of sheer vanity.

That brings us to Monday’s New York Times article about Bill White and his husband, Bryan Eure, headlined “How a Liberal Couple Became Two of N.Y.’s Biggest Trump Supporters.” The answer: ego. A former big-ticket Democratic fund-raiser, White went straight from Hillary Clinton’s election night party to Donald Trump’s when he realized which way the wind was blowing. (“I didn’t want to be part of that misery pie,” he said of the dreary vibe at the Clinton event.) Another turning point came earlier this year when, he claims, Chelsea Clinton snubbed him at Ralph Lauren’s Polo Bar in Manhattan, leading him to call Donald Trump Jr., who offered to come to him right away.

This story, like Baron’s book, is arresting in its picture of shameless, unvarnished thirst. White and Eure mouth some talking points about disliking “identity politics” and valuing “authenticity.” Like a lot of Trump apologists, White insists the president isn’t racist because African-American employment figures have improved during his administration. But the lurid opportunism that’s driving him and his husband to embrace Trump is obvious. Such opportunism is far from rare; it’s just not often that we see it exhibited so starkly.

Trump is hardly the first politician to attract self-serving followers — White and Eure, after all, used to be Clintonites. (The guest list at their lavish wedding, The Times once wrote, “read like a telephone book, if the White Pages printed a version containing only the rich and influential.”) But Trump is unique as a magnet for grifters, climbers and self-promoters, in part because decent people won’t associate with him. With the exception of national security professionals sticking around to stop Trump from blowing up the world, there are two kinds of people in the president’s orbit — the immoral and the amoral. There are sincere nativists, like Bannon and senior adviser Stephen Miller, and people of almost incomprehensible insincerity.

In many ways, the insincere Trumpists are the most frustrating. Because they don’t really believe in Trump’s belligerent nationalism and racist conspiracy theories, we keep expecting them to feel shame or remorse. But they’re not insincere because they believe in something better than Trumpism. Rather, they believe in very little. They are transactional in a way that makes no psychological sense to those of us who see politics as a moral drama; they might as well all be wearing jackets saying, “I really don’t care, do u?”

Baron’s book helped me grasp what public life is about for such people. “I loved being in the middle of something big, and the biggest thing in my life was Ralph,” she wrote in one of her more plaintive passages. “Without him, I was nobody.” Such a longing for validation is underrated as a political motivator. Senator Lindsey Graham, another insincere Trumpist, once justified his sycophantic relationship with the president by saying, “If you knew anything about me, I want to be relevant.” Some people would rather be on the wrong side than on the outside.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/30/politics/michael-cohen-pardon-expectation-donald-trump/index.html

it just shows the lack of foresight trump suffers from, and apparently infects others with. it doesn't occur to trump that anyone else is smarter than he is, so he never expects to get caught in his idiocy....even though he always gets caught in his idiocy.....
it doesn't occur to trump that it might not be a good idea to have sex with porn stars and strippers while married.
it doesn't occur to trump that these same porn stars and strippers aren't going to honor any kind of agreement if it will get them money,attention or both later.
it doesn't occur to trump that there will be some kind of records of all of this, and that people smarter than him might be looking for those records later on.
it didn't occur to trump that that behavior might come back to haunt him, if he ran for president...and a lot of other behavior he would rather have never been brought to light....
and, it didn't occur to either of these monkeys that it would be an incredibly bad idea to pardon a chief witness against trump, when an investigation of trump is just getting into gear and accelerating towards the abyss.....
i'd like to have a president that things occur to.....and advisors that have foresight.....
 

Fogdog

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It would be nice if instead of spamming us with an entire article copied and pasted here, people would post pithy or well said parts of an article to make a point and provide their own comment as well. Then insert a link to the whole article in case the reader wants more information.

It would be nice.
 

Unclebaldrick

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^^^ And then there are the posts that make no sense whatsoever.

It would be nice if instead of spamming us with an entire article copied and pasted here, people would post pithy or well said parts of an article to make a point and provide their own comment as well. Then insert a link to the whole article in case the reader wants more information.

It would be nice.
They could write a long commentary about a short article. I don't care. It has grown quite tedious that there are so many Vostok 2.0/Ttystikk type posts.

I guess people get excited and can't help themselves. I am not saying that they have bad intentions, they just need to rethink what the heck they are doing.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Most of the long copy paste opinion pieces are from the WP and NYT that have limited access to their sites so I copy the whole article for the benefit of readers who don't know how to "trick" the sites. Most of these are highly relevant to the topic which is current news and events related to Trump's downfall, the last article though was more peripheral. I thought the shallow self centered motives of Trumpers expressed in the article, "Maybe They’re Just Bad People" are common among those who surround Trump. It helps to divine the motives of key people in the drama like Lindsey Graham.

"Senator Lindsey Graham, another insincere Trumpist, once justified his sycophantic relationship with the president by saying, “If you knew anything about me, I want to be relevant.” Some people would rather be on the wrong side than on the outside".

I would council, know thy enemy, for some of them their true motives are rooted racism, or fear, for others it's greed or vanity. If you want to defeat America's enemies or marginalize them like the con artists who manipulate and control them, you must understand what drives them. Lindsey Graham is not an enemy of America, he just put his own interests ahead of his oath of office and country, just like all the others.

I'll try to post fewer long opinion pieces, but if I do, you are not required to read them.
 

Grandpapy

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Most of the long copy paste opinion pieces are from the WP and NYT that have limited access to their sites so I copy the whole article for the benefit of readers who don't know how to "trick" the sites.

I'll try to post fewer long opinion pieces, but if I do, you are not required to read them.
The free press shouldn't cost a dollar. I appreciate the read, saves me clicks.

The consistency of the formatting streamlines this thread, imo
 

schuylaar

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The free press shouldn't cost a dollar. I appreciate the read, saves me clicks.

The consistency of the formatting streamlines this thread, imo
unlike things that look foreign and unstreamlined?

wouldn't want to go there..it's foreign and unstreamlined..new thoughts..may hurt head.
 

schuylaar

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:shock:wow just wow..that's about right..lets elect him again!


"Senator Lindsey Graham, another insincere Trumpist, once justified his sycophantic relationship with the president by saying, “If you knew anything about me, I want to be relevant.” Some people would rather be on the wrong side than on the outside".

really?, how selfish..he and trump should share a cell:wall:
 

Unclebaldrick

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:shock:wow just wow..that's about right..lets elect him again!


"Senator Lindsey Graham, another insincere Trumpist, once justified his sycophantic relationship with the president by saying, “If you knew anything about me, I want to be relevant.” Some people would rather be on the wrong side than on the outside".

really?, how selfish..he and trump should share a cell:wall:


No irony at all folks.
 
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