Advanced Nutrients

Thundercat

Thundercat

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Xcoregamerskillz said:
That makes a lot of sense. I'll see if my local store carries. It. It stays stable in a res? I loved NFTG, but it says right on it not to use it unless you've got agitation and it can cause issues with nozzles. I'll def have to give this a try. I'll probably run coco, but I'm also thinking of using stink buds aero system. Not sure yet.
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Are you asking about the Envy I posted? It stays stable, typically I only touch my res every 2-4 days depending on how many plants I"ve got drinking at the time. There aren't many stores that carry it, the website has a list of sellers on it. I know some of them have online stores and ship. Its super cost effective too.

I've always wanted to run stink buds system, but have never really had the space. The Envy would be perfect in his system its totally clean, no organic residue, and its not a typical salt based nute so I can't imagine it clogging a sprayer. My res stays clean and clear, I don't have to scrub it out between changes or anything. I don't notice any build up in my flood trays either(like a nutrient ring around the edge). I honestly don't know anything about coco. I love the growrocks, they hold the plants well, and allow lots of air flow to the root system.
 
Xcoregamerskillz

Xcoregamerskillz

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Thundercat said:
Are you asking about the Envy I posted? It stays stable, typically I only touch my res every 2-4 days depending on how many plants I"ve got drinking at the time. There aren't many stores that carry it, the website has a list of sellers on it. I know some of them have online stores and ship. Its super cost effective too.

I've always wanted to run stink buds system, but have never really had the space. The Envy would be perfect in his system its totally clean, no organic residue, and its not a typical salt based nute so I can't imagine it clogging a sprayer. My res stays clean and clear, I don't have to scrub it out between changes or anything. I don't notice any build up in my flood trays either(like a nutrient ring around the edge). I honestly don't know anything about coco. I love the growrocks, they hold the plants well, and allow lots of air flow to the root system.
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I was talking about megacrop actually. Wait, do you run both. I've been reading and researching,and talking to so many different growers I'm starting to get a bit confused. Lol.
 
tyke1973

tyke1973

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Stick to what you know ,Go with advanced if you know advanced and have faith in it .But has a base Nute you wont beat canna,by far best i have used ,Are you buying advanced ph perfect ,
 
tyke1973

tyke1973

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I used it for a while,ph perfect was not about when i was using it ,Just sensi a/b veg then same bloom,Great nutes.And if it works for you in the way it did me,a few quid over one been cheaper should not make a difference ,i used sensi a/b veg Then sensi a/b Bloom a/b then Big Bid week two then think it was week 5 Overdrive.First chance i get i wanna try remo's brand.Just don't get caught up in the ones they do like the kush one and flush ext not needed ,there to catch the buyer nothing to the plants
 
Flowki

Flowki

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Palmerrdgrower said:
I’m worried about changing too. What do you use for a bloom booster if any. I am looking for something to fatten buds
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A booster is genuinely the least important aspect in fat or dense buds. The amount of P needed is so low that every other aspect such as environment, balance of other nutrients/ph, light amount/type play a much greater role in both yield and potency.

If you do venture out into other nutrient lines just be prepared to learn a lot more on everything else the plant needs before you add small amounts of boost. Otherwise you'll fall into the trap of ''buds are small so I need to add more nutes''.

Also keep in mind that not all strains have big buds, especially once you start topping. But that's good, dense medium sized buds are really what you want as they are a million times less prone to rot and yield no less. Big buds can often be more airy and are a false sense of yield. Also stay open to the possibility of nute lines that require you to mix your own ratios and ph. Auto ph lines are handy but the money you waste on those can be spent upgrading your environment for guaranteed yield increase.
 
Thundercat

Thundercat

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Xcoregamerskillz said:
I was talking about megacrop actually. Wait, do you run both. I've been reading and researching,and talking to so many different growers I'm starting to get a bit confused. Lol.
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Sorry for my part of the confusion bud, I'm sure I was high and read something wrong lol.

I've never ran mega crop. I've watched several grow journals on here and other sites where people have used it and grew nice healthy plants. I also constantly see people recommending it because they love it. I think it was specifically recommended because it would work well in your soil grow.
 
Thundercat

Thundercat

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Flowki said:
A booster is genuinely the least important aspect in fat or dense buds. The amount of P needed is so low that every other aspect such as environment, balance of other nutrients/ph, light amount/type play a much greater role in both yield and potency.

If you do venture out into other nutrient lines just be prepared to learn a lot more on everything else the plant needs before you add small amounts of boost. Otherwise you'll fall into the trap of ''buds are small so I need to add more nutes''.

Also keep in mind that not all strains have big buds, especially once you start topping. But that's good, dense medium sized buds are really what you want as they are a million times less prone to rot and yield no less. Big buds can often be more airy and are a false sense of yield. Also stay open to the possibility of nute lines that require you to mix your own ratios and ph. Auto ph lines are handy but the money you waste on those can be spent upgrading your environment for guaranteed yield increase.
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This is a really great post, I wish we still had the rep system here.
 
Palmerrdgrower

Palmerrdgrower

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Ok. I think that most people here are smarter than me when it comes to growing and I appreciate all the recommendations that I got. I bought the ph perfect trio and big bud. I have a tent with a 400 watt cmh and 4 plants in it. I will use these to test gh and advanced. I will use the big bud also and I will post the first picture tonight just before lights on. Thanks again for your response
 
tyke1973

tyke1973

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Palmerrdgrower said:
Ok. I think that most people here are smarter than me when it comes to growing and I appreciate all the recommendations that I got. I bought the ph perfect trio and big bud. I have a tent with a 400 watt cmh and 4 plants in it. I will use these to test gh and advanced. I will use the big bud also and I will post the first picture tonight just before lights on. Thanks again for your response
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Most just think they are dude
 
Palmerrdgrower

Palmerrdgrower

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C3B32303-34CD-4DD0-91BF-CC8B8D8C3160.jpeg These are four indicas that have been under this 400 watt cmh for 5 weeks from clone. They are in promix bx and I just started the advanced trio. I have big bud for when flowers start to form. I mixed it like I did with the general hydroponics trio. First time for the cmh bulb also
 
westcoast420

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Palmerrdgrower said:
View attachment 4245717 These are four indicas that have been under this 400 watt cmh for 5 weeks from clone. They are in promix bx and I just started the advanced trio. I have big bud for when flowers start to form. I mixed it like I did with the general hydroponics trio. First time for the cmh bulb also
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Just stick with the 3 part gh and add in some advanced additives if you want. Adjusting ph is just a part of growing, ph perfect by an is overrated, tried it and wasn't overly impressed. I would try some bud start or bud ignitor in the first week then switch to big bd for week 2-6.
 
Thundercat

Thundercat

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Palmerrdgrower said:
View attachment 4245717 These are four indicas that have been under this 400 watt cmh for 5 weeks from clone. They are in promix bx and I just started the advanced trio. I have big bud for when flowers start to form. I mixed it like I did with the general hydroponics trio. First time for the cmh bulb also
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Your plants are looking happy and healthy great start!

I gotta ask why you aren't using a reflector/ are hanging a vertical bulb? The distance your plants are from that light seems crazy, and from the looks of it most of the strongest light is gonna be hitting your tent walls instead of your plants.

Vertical lights work great when they are near/next to the plants. Right now all your plants are down below the optimal zone. A reflector would help deflect the upward light down, but with the plant size and bulb size I feel like your really missing out on a lot of your light usage.

The last time I ran a 400w it was in an air cooled hood over one 3x3 area. In the end that ended up being over one plant. The plant happily grew right to the glass and absorbed all the light that 400 could give.

Look up the "inverse square law". It's a lighting essential that I don't see people talking about nearly enough.
 
Palmerrdgrower

Palmerrdgrower

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Thundercat said:
Your plants are looking happy and healthy great start!

I gotta ask why you aren't using a reflector/ are hanging a vertical bulb? The distance your plants are from that light seems crazy, and from the looks of it most of the strongest light is gonna be hitting your tent walls instead of your plants.

Vertical lights work great when they are near/next to the plants. Right now all your plants are down below the optimal zone. A reflector would help deflect the upward light down, but with the plant size and bulb size I feel like your really missing out on a lot of your light usage.

The last time I ran a 400w it was in an air cooled hood over one 3x3 area. In the end that ended up being over one plant. The plant happily grew right to the glass and absorbed all the light that 400 could give.

Look up the "inverse square law". It's a lighting essential that I don't see people talking about nearly enough.
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About 4 years ago I was having heat issues with 5 1000 watt bulbs in my flower room. I got rid of my reflectors and never looked back. I only noticed the heat difference if any I did see better growth imo. The 400 watt cmh will be like that for this grow in that tent. I will post the pics. I notice that with the cmh that my plants are a different green and the stems are smaller. Not sure what they will be like as time goes on
 
Thundercat

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I'm not sure exactly what your heat issues were but 5 1ks is a whole lot different then one cmh. You've got some experience though so I'm sure it will work out fine or you'll learn from it lol.

I just wanted to point out what looked like a missed opportunity to get more light on your plants. It might even be closer then it looks in the pictures.

I also haven't used a non air cooled reflector since my first grows. I cool my lights and then get them as close to my plants as I can to maximize the penetration and intensity.
 
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