verticalgrow
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hes running 25 plants in a 4 x 4Im having doubts thats a 32+ oz or 1.9g/w 4x4 grow.
Link = https://www.rollitup.org/t/500w-diy-led-4x4-organic-2-15-lb-grow.952567/#post-13882395
hes running 25 plants in a 4 x 4Im having doubts thats a 32+ oz or 1.9g/w 4x4 grow.
Actually do your research us COB growers have been hitting 2 gpw for over a year now and no that is a 4x4 each 4x4 get 2 meanwell drivers at 250w each and 16 Vero cobslooks like the tent is bigger than a 4x4, maybe 4x8? but yeah I agree they seem exaggerated tbh. I've got a little schooling in electronics so I'll be doing a lot of research before I commit to a material order.
Gpw isn't accurate at all but it's what most people understand easier than explaining PAR n LuX. And my thread was just to keep it simple and show what you can do with very little power. And it's real easy to explain the total yield divided by the light output of just the light system, instead of like kwh.GPW doesn't seem a very accurate measurement in my opinion. I dont veg my plants so to compare my gpw at 1000W to someone else's grow with 1000W that veg's for 2 months then flowers for another 8 wks isnt comparable to my 8 weeks only of flower. If anything, total KWH used per grow would be more accurate than gpw. Just my .02 though.
What heatsinks are those?Actually do your research us COB growers have been hitting 2 gpw for over a year now and no that is a 4x4 each 4x4 get 2 meanwell drivers at 250w each and 16 Vero cobs
I run 25 plants in each 4x4 tent that's only 1.3 oz per plant.
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Company called Aavid thermoalloysWhat heatsinks are those?
Excellent work on that brother your and your exactly right my best runs under 1000w hps in a 4x4 was 1.65 lb usually avg just over 1.5 so Led really only brought me 8-10 oz more per run.I'll try to explain my thoughts on the whole gpw not seeming as accurate as kwh the best I can.
Example-
You have 2 growers both using exact same room, strain, plant count, equipment etc and both pay .10 per kwh:
(1) HPS @ 1000W
(1) 5000 btu A/C unit @ 500W
Grower 1 veg's for 8 weeks (uses either seed or from rooted clone).
@ 18/6 thats 18hrs x 1000W = 18,000 watts per day. Divided by 1000 x 60 days veg time = 1080 total kwh used in 8 weeks veg time.
Grower 1 flowers for 8 weeks.
@ 12/12 thats 12hrs x 1000W = 12,000 watts per day. Divided by 1000 x 60 days flower time = 720 total kwh used in 8 weeks flower.
Grower 1 uses A/C for 16 weeks total.
It cycles for 20 minutes per hour when lights are on during veg so:
@ 6 hrs per day thats 6hrs x 500W = 3000 watts per day. Divided by 1000 x 60 days veg time = 180 total kwh used in 8 weeks veg.
It cycles for 20 minutes per hour when lights are on during flower so:
@ 4 hrs per day thats 4hrs x 500W = 2000 watts per day. Divided by 1000 x 60 days flower time = 120 total kwh used in 8 weeks veg.
Grand total of 2100kwh used in 1 complete grow over 16 weeks. (totaling $210.00 for entire grow)
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Grower 2 doesn't veg (uses rooted clones).
Grower 2 flowers for 8 weeks.
@ 12/12 thats 12hrs x 1000W = 12,000 watts per day. Divided by 1000 x 60 days flower time = 720 total kwh used in 8 weeks flower.
Grower 2 uses A/C for 8 wks total.
It cycles for 20 minutes per hour when lights are on during flower so:
@ 4 hrs per day thats 4hrs x 500W = 2000 watts per day. Divided by 1000 x 60 days flower time = 120 total kwh used in 8 weeks flower.
Grand total of 840 kwh used in 1 complete grow over 8 weeks. (totaling $84.00 for entire grow)
I get why some would prefer to use gpw, but it just doesnt seem very accurate.
I also understand that there are a gazillion variables to this scenario, and that grower 1 will in fact yield some more than grower 2 per harvest
-but in twice as much time and almost 3 times the cost.
It does'nt seem like a fair assessment to compare the results or skill level from grower 1 and grower 2's same 1000W used?
Who would yield more over a 12 month period counting gram per watt USED or KWH?
You sound as bad as me haha. I'm somewhere around 13 cents per kwh where Im at in MI.Yeah you explained it perfectly no doubt. A long time ago I did a quick run through of all my power uses.
Rounded up to nearest Dollar
Checked draws with kill-a-watt
My Flower 500w light costs $20 a month
6" hyper fan 45w draw avg only turned up to 50% 24 hrs day $2 month
4" inline exhaust 25w 24 hr day $2 month
Circ fan 25w 24 hr day $2 month
AC is a hard variable whole room AC not just in tent. I don't have to use it after mid Oct and won't use it till April. So 6.5 months I use a 750w ac
It's turned up to about 40% capacity and it draws less power when compressor isn't Running. So unknown but figure $15 to be fair
So spring summer $40 a month for flower tent only
$25 month fall and winter
Not counting veg tent fans, light's, water pump for DIY aeroponics cloner.
Paying 11 cents per kwh this area
I'm just a little bit south of you but our laws aren't as friendly lolYou sound as bad as me haha. I'm somewhere around 13 cents per kwh where Im at in MI.
don't for get about ya supply charge,double upYeah you explained it perfectly no doubt. A long time ago I did a quick run through of all my power uses.
Rounded up to nearest Dollar
Checked draws with kill-a-watt
My Flower 500w light costs $20 a month
6" hyper fan 45w draw avg only turned up to 50% 24 hrs day $2 month
4" inline exhaust 25w 24 hr day $2 month
Circ fan 25w 24 hr day $2 month
AC is a hard variable whole room AC not just in tent. I don't have to use it after mid Oct and won't use it till April. So 6.5 months I use a 750w ac
It's turned up to about 40% capacity and it draws less power when compressor isn't Running. So unknown but figure $15 to be fair
So spring summer $40 a month for flower tent only
$25 month fall and winter
Not counting veg tent fans, light's, water pump for DIY aeroponics cloner.
Paying 11 cents per kwh this area
So, although the math checks out, this is only 1 part of yur overhead; its one of many things that u subtract from total market value of the product. and it;s incomplete without yeilds.. Say, in 16wks, if #1 pulls more in one run, than #2 w/ gets in w/ 2 runs, the profits could potentially outweigh the $42 difference ($84 x 2) and assuming all other costs are equal, then #1 is has a better margin than #2.. So power use of yur lights and A/C are only part of it..I'll try to explain my thoughts on the whole gpw not seeming as accurate as kwh the best I can.
Example-
You have 2 growers both using exact same room, strain, plant count, equipment etc and both pay .10 per kwh:
(1) HPS @ 1000W
(1) 5000 btu A/C unit @ 500W
Grower 1 veg's for 8 weeks (uses either seed or from rooted clone).
@ 18/6 thats 18hrs x 1000W = 18,000 watts per day. Divided by 1000 x 60 days veg time = 1080 total kwh used in 8 weeks veg time.
Grower 1 flowers for 8 weeks.
@ 12/12 thats 12hrs x 1000W = 12,000 watts per day. Divided by 1000 x 60 days flower time = 720 total kwh used in 8 weeks flower.
Grower 1 uses A/C for 16 weeks total.
It cycles for 20 minutes per hour when lights are on during veg so:
@ 6 hrs per day thats 6hrs x 500W = 3000 watts per day. Divided by 1000 x 60 days veg time = 180 total kwh used in 8 weeks veg.
It cycles for 20 minutes per hour when lights are on during flower so:
@ 4 hrs per day thats 4hrs x 500W = 2000 watts per day. Divided by 1000 x 60 days flower time = 120 total kwh used in 8 weeks veg.
Grand total of 2100kwh used in 1 complete grow over 16 weeks. (totaling $210.00 for entire grow)
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Grower 2 doesn't veg (uses rooted clones).
Grower 2 flowers for 8 weeks.
@ 12/12 thats 12hrs x 1000W = 12,000 watts per day. Divided by 1000 x 60 days flower time = 720 total kwh used in 8 weeks flower.
Grower 2 uses A/C for 8 wks total.
It cycles for 20 minutes per hour when lights are on during flower so:
@ 4 hrs per day thats 4hrs x 500W = 2000 watts per day. Divided by 1000 x 60 days flower time = 120 total kwh used in 8 weeks flower.
Grand total of 840 kwh used in 1 complete grow over 8 weeks. (totaling $84.00 for entire grow)
I get why some would prefer to use gpw, but it just doesnt seem very accurate.
I also understand that there are a gazillion variables to this scenario, and that grower 1 will in fact yield some more than grower 2 per harvest
-but in twice as much time and almost 3 times the cost.
It does'nt seem like a fair assessment to compare the results or skill level from grower 1 and grower 2's same 1000W used?
Who would yield more over a 12 month period counting gram per watt USED or KWH?
I don't know what else you have running or what size home your in but there is no way in hell 1640W of grow power / lights is costing $500 a month by itselfIn northern cali I spend around 500 just on my 1640 watts of light a month. Total cost for 2.5 pounds was 2500.00. That bill total is all due to energy costs here and I end up in the third tier of use as well so I get dinged.
I'd still rather grow my own organic as can be hydro then buying who knows what from who know who. Even at that price it's still much cheaper then buying it legal these days.
I love it when people, and that includes everyone in this situation, assume they know what electricity costs others.I don't know what else you have running or what size home your in but there is no way in hell 1640W of grow power / lights is costing $500 a month by itself