GM laying off 15% of workers and shutting down 5 plants due to trump tariffs

Fogdog

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Lucky Luke said:
What's interesting is large car manufactures are spending money on new battery technology research. I'm sure there would be a patent or two in it to maybe use later down the track.
Lets face it, it may be part of the future but not many people are buying electric cars now. Certainly not in Australia where our fuel costs are allot higher than Americas.
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I hope we have batteries like that some day. Or we have a closed loop recycling system or something else that's better.

I just see those articles as fluff. There are wonder drugs announced every day too. A lot of that kind of publicity is just talk to make a company look good. I don't have enough interest to take a deep dive into battery tech to comment on the viability of fluoride ion batteries.

GM announced it was throwing in the towel on electric cars because they see how hard and expensive the transition will be for them and decided to milk the existing tech rather than go after EV market. Honda must see it differently. Or maybe they haven't owned up to the fact that the transition might not be worthwhile for them. Or maybe they have a better plan. Or maybe they are funding exotic research and making exotic claims to blow smoke over Tesla's plans. IDK. I don't really care how this all shakes out for those car companies. Multinational corporations don't have my interests at heart so I don't care if they survive or not.
 
TacoMac

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NWO4LIFE said:
Those teslas are nasty bad ass performance.
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Yes they are.

They cost 80,000 dollars and if you run any accessories at all and you're alone you'll be lucky to have a 250 mile range.

The Nissan Leaf is actually a much better buy. For 30,000 dollars you get a small car great for going to and from work, which is in the end all an electric car is good for in the grand scheme of things. And with the 50,000 dollars you save, you can pick yourself up a Chevrolet Corvette to go have fun in.
 
doublejj

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TacoMac said:
Yes they are.

They cost 80,000 dollars and if you run any accessories at all and you're alone you'll be lucky to have a 250 mile range.

The Nissan Leaf is actually a much better buy. For 30,000 dollars you get a small car great for going to and from work, which is in the end all an electric car is good for in the grand scheme of things. And with the 50,000 dollars you save, you can pick yourself up a Chevrolet Corvette to go have fun in.
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lol
 
TacoMac

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My sister-in-law has one. It's a very nice car. I never said they weren't.

But they don't go anywhere near the advertised range of 315 miles. Most they've ever gotten out of it was low 200's, and that was on autopilot going very slowly. So, is it worth 80,000 dollars for a car you can't really take anywhere but out to eat or to work and back?

In my opinion, no. That's why we drive Volvo. But not to worry. My brother has an F250 work truck that's quite nice they take on vacations.
 
doublejj

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TacoMac said:
My sister-in-law has one. It's a very nice car. I never said they weren't.

But they don't go anywhere near the advertised range of 315 miles. Most they've ever gotten out of it was low 200's, and that was on autopilot going very slowly. So, is it worth 80,000 dollars for a car you can't really take anywhere but out to eat or to work and back?

In my opinion, no. That's why we drive Volvo. But not to worry. My brother has an F250 work truck that's quite nice they take on vacations.
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TacoMac

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Fun fact: they created just as much if not more carbon waste than I would. Electricity in this country still comes largely from coal fired power plants. What's more, that car has 1000 times the toxic battery waste that my Volvo does.

There's no such thing as carbon free. If you're plugging it in, you're still creating it.
 
doublejj

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TacoMac said:
Fun fact: they created just as much if not more carbon waste than I would. Electricity in this country still comes largely from coal fired power plants. What's more, that car has 1000 times the toxic battery waste that my Volvo does.

There's no such thing as carbon free. If you're plugging it in, you're still creating it.
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quit reading faux news. teslas are the cleanest car you can buy......if you care about the planet....
 
Lucky Luke

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Volvo make a nice car. The S60 and the XC 60 are great cars.
Not sure why the hate on them. Take one for a test drive, it may change your mind.
 
Lucky Luke

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doublejj said:
those volvos cost the same as a gasoline free tesla.....:roll:
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Depends where you live.
They are more than likely better for the environment (both start of life and end of life) and you can actually go on long trips, with a boot and back seat full of weight. They are also probably much more reliable. And you can run the A/C all the time.

Battery cars are great for commuting. No good to go away for the weekend with the family and toys.
 
Lucky Luke

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rkymtnman said:
average to below average reliability for both. expensive to repair. i test drove a s60r: wasn't that impressed.

kinda like a moped, fun to ride but you don't want your friends to see you on it.
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Id disagree with the reliability. But no point debating that one as no matter the car you can find a bad report. Vast majority of reports are good and warranty repairs show they are extremely reliably. One of my friends is a dealer principle and Volvo is one of their brands. They get less issues from Volvo than Ford or GM, Hyundai etc. The only brand they get less issue from are Toyota.

Its cheaper to repair than the Mustang or a Jag here so again depends where you live.

Mopeds are Fun. Tearing around a city centre or even picking cars off at lights on a big scooter is a ball. Have you ridden something like a T-max?
 
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