rkymtnman
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they were the Merkur xr4ti here. i always thought turbo engines were cool. especially if they ahve a blow off valve on them.
GM laying off 15% of workers and shutting down 5 plants due to trump tariffs
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Sir Napsalot
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Some pics I took at the NAEFR (North American European Ford Registry) show at the All-Ford meet in Hillsboro a few years ago:
^That's my '80 Fiesta "S"
it has ~470,00 miles on it
^That's my '80 Fiesta "S"
it has ~470,00 miles on it
Budley Doright
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It would be nice if that could be done and still be financially viable here but it’s not, well not yet anyways. The cost to use solar as a water heating source in the northern climates is a zero sum game. The half a year of winter is what kills it, but if your thing is saving the planet then yes it’s a great thing, but be prepared to not save anything as you won’t
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Fogdog
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I understand you point. I just wonder if paying for capturing all the waste from coal energy plants would even the cost trade-offs.It would be nice if that could be done and still be financially viable here but it’s not, well not yet anyways. The cost to use solar as a water heating source in the northern climates is a zero sum game. The half a year of winter is what kills it, but if your thing is saving the planet then yes it’s a great thing, but be prepared to not save anything as you won’t
Budley Doright
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Maybe when looking at the big picture re saving the world but that’s sadly too expensive for most home buyers, first time buyers are stretched now . If the government subsidized the installation then that would be great. They have (provincial) pretty much removed all green rebates and the carbon tax that was used to pay for it here......sad. But Ford had the balls to ask for a camper van and keep it off the books.... fucking crook, trump 2.0.
doublejj
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all new homes in California must have solar panels by law......solar is the future + you can charge your tesla for free...
too larry
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Are the size of the panels tied to house size? What will be the cost to an average home owner?
doublejj
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You like Fords?....
66' 427fe 'sideoiler'....$22,000 in the stand
custom built for a Shelby Cobra
Budley Doright
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I know, they’ve done some pretty progressive things there and were actually partnered with Ontario re Carbon reduction goals. Sadly that’s gone now due to our new Conservative government. Power generation re solar is viable but solar water heating is still lagging in cold climates. Geothermal has some great potential but pricey, lots of stuff coming down the pipe (no pun intended lol) on that though, like communal loops.
doublejj
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I belive the law says they must have enough solar for the houses needs...
Fogdog
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The "save the world" phrase is patronizing and false. The world will be fine with or without human civilization. The cost of not addressing human caused global warming is high too. You wouldn't borrow to buy a house and obligate your children to pay it off or maybe you would if you think that the cost of climate change is something future generations must carry in order to fund our consumer-driven economy.
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bearded.beaver
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@londonfog ha I hate it when that happens.
Budley Doright
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I was not trying to be patronizing at all but trying to point out that without government subsidies the cost of adding these things is too high for the average family starting out. And honestly I would be hard pressed to add solar heated water (which I was addressing btw), as there is no savings here. Solar power, like I did say, is a viable choice. How are you “saving the plant” Fog?
Fogdog
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The "it costs to much" claim is entirely based upon the idea that cost does not include the disposal of waste products. It's quite reasonable to factor in cost of disposal, which of course, means radical changes in our economy and consumer habits. I'm not arguing about solar heated water, which is a niche energy capture method. Nonethelss, a hybrid system to use the summer sun to heat water and electricity in the winter wouldn't be a radical and costly design. The fossil fuel industry bases it's costs on the assumption that the atmosphere is an endless waste dump site which from a sustainable system-view is false.
Lucky Luke
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People save a heap here. Solar is huge. In some states its on 1 in 3 houses and growing. But you guys get lots of that white wet cold stuff. Winter here is clear skies.It would be nice if that could be done and still be financially viable here but it’s not, well not yet anyways. The cost to use solar as a water heating source in the northern climates is a zero sum game. The half a year of winter is what kills it, but if your thing is saving the planet then yes it’s a great thing, but be prepared to not save anything as you won’t
How much do you save you think @ruby fruit
My state govt offers a interest free 10K loan for solar instalation. Takes pressure off the hydro power we run and in effect gives people more money in their pocket- which then gets spent hopefully in the local economy. Win/win.
Australia is I think the biggest by head of population solar users. Hence why the interest in the Tesla power banks.
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Budley Doright
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There are many alternatives that are great. The only way to promote them is to offer financial insentives or they won’t happen. I work in the industry and as soon as the green on rebates were ended so did the Geothermal sales. Our industry is driven by rebates be that good or bad. All I was pointing out is solar hot water is not viable re saving money in probably a 1/3rd of your country and 2/3rds of mine. Solar water, if using it in below freezing climates requires glycol, that glycol has a life span of 5 years and has to be replaced. The pumps require replacement as well. By the time these costs are figured in, it’s a 0 savings system. And yes they can be quite costly but I gues that depends on your ability to pay.
I did say solar power generation is viable and yes you can save loads. Hot water not so much lol. We have huge solar farms going up all around here, as well as windmills. Resi windmills, so far I haven’t seen a huge benefit from.
Lucky Luke
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1/3rd..lol. Most my country is desert.
"70% percent of Australia is desert/semi-arid. About 45% of the Australian continent is sand dunes. 3. Around 40-45 percent of Australia is covered by deserts."
Glycol now has a life span of 10 years depending on brand and is failry cheap. Not many aussies would live in a place that gets below freezing.
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