GM laying off 15% of workers and shutting down 5 plants due to trump tariffs

[TacoMac]

Carbon trading doesn't really work as its open to so much abuse.

Carbon trading was only created to make it look like they were doing something about climate change. I mean, do you REALLY think that India buying up carbon stocks from Zimbabwe so they can pound out pollution is helping anybody?

Of course it isn't. It's another red herring created for the sole purpose of appeasing the uneducated.

No such thing as clean coal. We all know coal is the past.

Well, that's not entirely accurate. The Koch brothers are actually sitting on technology right now that would make coal fired plants burn 12% cleaner. They simply refuse to use it because it would cost hundreds of millions of dollars to put into place. So, rather than take a hit one year, they'd rather throw the entire fucking planet under the bus. Hey, who can blame them? They'll be dead soon. Why should they give a shit, right? (That is, of course, what they all think.)

Hydro whilst impacting the landscape and environment is arguably the cleanest, most reliable and easiest.

The problem with that is we don't have enough water...and we're losing more and more of it each year.

Wave and tidal is problematic and I don't think anyone has had much success.

Incorrect. Tidal is, literally, reliable as the incoming and outgoing tide. The problem is that it doesn't generate as efficiently as Wind and Solar because it's only in effect 30 to 40% of the time.

Nuclear is the past and to bloody dangerous.

Incorrect. The old style nuclear power we built in the 50's and 60's is. Compression Salt reactors are not. China is presently building more of them than all other nations. In about 15 to 20 years, China will be the cleanest nation on the planet for power production.

Solar can be integrated onto and even into roofs (I believe there is a solar roof tile that you can tile a roof with) Works even on dull days (it works on heat so will even work under a tarp). Every new house in the right area "could" be made to be energy self suffient within 10 years using solar or a mix.

But solar is very expensive and far more toxic to the environment. The battery banks you have to use and the construction of solar panels themselves are horrific in the pollution and toxicity they create. Our panel technology is what needs a kick start and they are working on it. It's probably going to be another 20 to 30 years before they make a real significant breakthrough though.

Salt reactors are the only source of energy we have access to presently that can, quite literally, completely stop climate change in it's tracks literally with the flip of a switch. Nothing else comes even remotely close.

 

[Budley Doright]

[QUOTE="Budley Doright, post: 14641978, member: 907263" What temperature are you referencing at a 10 year lifespan?

Sorry mate I missed this Q. Im not sure I was just going off this product. What temp does an engine get up to with heat sink?
https://www.autoserv.co.nz/wynns/wynns-hd-green-coolnat

"
Wynn's Pro Heavy Duty Engine Coolant is formulated to provide the following benefits:

• 10 years or 1,000,000 km service life (whichever comes first) when used as recommended
• Anti-boil protection
• Corrosion protection
• Anti-freeze protection
• Does not contain: Phosphates, Borates, Silicates, Amines, Nitrates or Tannins.".

Id imagine you can use it in solar as well. But check of cause before taking a stoners advice..lol[/QUOTE]
Oh ok antifreeze for engines, I’m going to look into the stuff our supplier has for the solar setup up.

 

[Budley Doright]

I never said carbon tax was an answer but what it did do here was generate money for other things that did help.

 

[TacoMac]

I never said carbon tax was an answer but what it did do here was generate money for other things that did help.

And that's exactly what they wanted. You're happy because you got what you wanted. They're happy because they saved a shit ton of money and didn't have to clean their act up.

Meanwhile, the entire fucking planet got thrown under the bus.

 

[Lucky Luke]

Sorry mate I missed this Q. Im not sure I was just going off this product. What temp does an engine get up to with heat sink?
https://www.autoserv.co.nz/wynns/wynns-hd-green-coolnat

"
Wynn's Pro Heavy Duty Engine Coolant is formulated to provide the following benefits:

• 10 years or 1,000,000 km service life (whichever comes first) when used as recommended
• Anti-boil protection
• Corrosion protection
• Anti-freeze protection
• Does not contain: Phosphates, Borates, Silicates, Amines, Nitrates or Tannins.".

Id imagine you can use it in solar as well. But check of cause before taking a stoners advice..lol

Oh ok antifreeze for engines, I’m going to look into the stuff our supplier has for the solar setup up.[/QUOTE]

its all Glycol.. would be my first thoughts. Maybe send wynns a email. Its also a concentrate so it will go further than a pre mix.

 

[Lucky Luke]

I never said carbon tax was an answer but what it did do here was generate money for other things that did help.

Carbon tax is an answer. It made companies invest in green to save on tax. We had it here for awhile until the conservatives got into power and ripped it up.

 

[Fogdog]

It’s a complexed problem that I doubt will be solved and frankly I hold little hope that the damage done can be reversed.

Translation: "my mind is closed."

It was obvious that your mind was closed when you mockingly said "save the planet". Ever since then you've been following the fossil fuel lobbyists playbook.

Canada's economy relies heavily on producing oil. I understand why you would shut your mind to inconvenient facts.

 

[Budley Doright]

Translation: "my mind is closed."

It was obvious that your mind was closed when you mockingly said "save the planet". Ever since then you've been following the fossil fuel lobbyists playbook.

Canada's economy relies heavily on producing oil. I understand why you would shut your mind to inconvenient facts.

I’m not going to fight with you as obviously that’s all to want to do. I say one thing that you take literally when all I was pointing out is that it is not a great way to reduce your energy usage as compared to other things you could do in your home. Things that will save you money and save the planet. Again I ask what have you done to reduce your carbon footprint. Please tell me where I have closed my mind and am following the so called playbook lol.

 

[Budley Doright]

Carbon tax is an answer. It made companies invest in green to save on tax. We had it here for awhile until the conservatives got into power and ripped it up.

I meant the not the whole answer but it helped fund things so again one tool in the tool bag.

 

[Fogdog]

I’m not going to fight with you as obviously that’s all to want to do. I say one thing that you take literally when all I was pointing out is that it is not a great way to reduce your energy usage as compared to other things you could do in your home. Things that will save you money and save the planet. Again I ask what have you done to reduce your carbon footprint. Please tell me where I have closed my mind and am following the so called playbook lol.

Some engineers, who might be good or were good once simply close their minds to ever finding a solution to certain problems. Not that I'm saying, as one manager once laughingly said to me "if you can imagine it, it's possible". Just saying that I've overcome dead end engineers before and you clearly are a dead ender in this regard. I'm not fighting with you either. In general, we agree on many things. Just not on this.

I assume that you at least accept the consensus from climate scientists that the earth is rapidly warming and ocean acidification is taking place due to the burning of fossil fuels? True?

There is no technical reason why we can't shift our energy systems to sustainable, non-polluting sources. Energy supply from the sun is adequate to provide all we need. Conversion away from fossil fuels is a systems issue and there is no one magic answer. The answer isn't simply the supply side or financial jiggering either although both are part of the solution. The cost of not doing anything is much higher than the cost of taking action.

Politics are part of the solution too. As shown in the yellow vest protests in France, which were triggered by Macron making fuel tax policy without consent from the people who would be most affected, this isn't entirely a technical problem. Probably politics is the larger obstacle.

 

[Budley Doright]

And that's exactly what they wanted. You're happy because you got what you wanted. They're happy because they saved a shit ton of money and didn't have to clean their act up.

Meanwhile, the entire fucking planet got thrown under the bus.

Happy I got rebates to install energy reducing appliances ...... yup I am. Happy that it provided employment for my techs... yup I am. Happy that it helped homeowners install new windows, insulation, heat pumps, etc. ..... yup happy. Happy that the government cancelled it..... nope not happy.

 

[Fogdog]

Again I ask what have you done to reduce your carbon footprint.

I try not to talk about myself on this forum. In any case, your question is irrelevant to the problem OF global warming. I could be completely carbon neutral in my lifestyle and wouldn't change what is happening one whit. I recognize that even the act of participating in this society makes me a carbon burner and I do choose to live in this society. That said, my choices in career, where I live, how I live are all biased towards more green and sustainable lifestyle than many. I won't go into details because your question is irrelevant.

 

[Budley Doright]

Some engineers, who might be good or were good once simply close their minds to ever finding a solution to certain problems. Not that I'm saying, as one manager once laughingly said to me "if you can imagine it, it's possible". Just saying that I've overcome dead end engineers before and you clearly are a dead ender in this regard. I'm not fighting with you either. In general, we agree on many things. Just not on this.

I assume that you at least accept the consensus from climate scientists that the earth is rapidly warming and ocean acidification is taking place due to the burning of fossil fuels? True?

There is no technical reason why we can't shift our energy systems to sustainable, non-polluting sources. Energy supply from the sun is adequate to provide all we need. Conversion away from fossil fuels is a systems issue and there is no one magic answer. The answer isn't simply the supply side or financial jiggering either although both are part of the solution. The cost of not doing anything is much higher than the cost of taking action.

Politics are part of the solution too. As shown in the yellow vest protests in France, which were triggered by Macron making fuel tax policy without consent from the people who would be most affected, this isn't entirely a technical problem. Probably politics is the larger obstacle.

I said I doubt that the damage will be reversed not because we can’t but because we won’t re your president and my premier. And as for the economics, the way to make the general public switch to a greener way of living is to make it affordable. You still haven’t answered my question. What have you done to reduce your carbon footprint? And if we’re offered a reduced price to invest in a efficient heating system which saved you money would that not sway the decision.

 

[schuylaar]

This isn't Silicon Valley....It's a parking lot in Pittsburgh Pa....

Tesla's for the win!

how do you charge up if you live in an apartment?

 

[schuylaar]

This is the actual reason for GM ending jobs. They've been getting pushed around in the market for a long time, decades actually. New companies are coming to take their place regardless.

If Trump was President when Blockbuster went under, ya'll'd be blaming him for it while logging into Netflix.

the tax cuts were in theory earmarked to help expand your business. christ, it went from 35% to 21% and all GM could think of doing was a stock buyback, reorg and fire everyone?

don't come back during the next recession to be saved from going under..

 

[doublejj]

how do you charge up if you live in an apartment?

Many apartments already have ev charging stations, if not you may have to pay to have a plug put in. Or use one of the thousands of free Tesla chargers, or charge at work....

 

[Fogdog]

I said I doubt that the damage will be reversed not because we can’t but because we won’t re your president and my premier. And as for the economics, the way to make the general public switch to a greener way of living is to make it affordable. You still haven’t answered my question. What have you done to reduce your carbon footprint? And if we’re offered a reduced price to invest in a efficient heating system which saved you money would that not sway the decision.

Where did I ever say damage could be reversed? You keep jumping to solutions when there is no one solution that can get us off fossil fuels. Now you are putting words in my mouth. There is no technical reason preventing conversion of the global energy system to sustainable, non-polluting alternatives. The main problem is political.

 

[Budley Doright]

how do you charge up if you live in an apartment?

They have mandated charging stations here in apartment buildings.

 

[schuylaar]

I said I doubt that the damage will be reversed not because we can’t but because we won’t re your president and my premier. And as for the economics, the way to make the general public switch to a greener way of living is to make it affordable. You still haven’t answered my question. What have you done to reduce your carbon footprint? And if we’re offered a reduced price to invest in a efficient heating system which saved you money would that not sway the decision.

mmmmmmmmmm, premium trudeau..i'd eat that dudes shorts

 

[schuylaar]

They have mandated charging stations here in apartment buildings.

your country does things right..not like here.