Useful Seeds
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Sorry...lol. I reckon I shouldn't mention the Banana Kush reversal, that is in in the works again, Banana Kush s1's and Chem D x Banana Kush. And i'm gearing up to make a fresh batch of Bag of Oranges.
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CoB_nUt
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Thought so, at least it was when I was growing up. Lol So was red.
CoB_nUt
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See...
. Lol nah, just keep pumping out the fire and spreading the love.
CoB_nUt
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I know I could look it up,but since I'm here, is Chem related to skunk? I know I know skunk's genetics are probably loosely in the majority of strains somewhere. OR the other way around, chem's genetics. Skunk is older than chem so I assume the former. Are they closely related, if that's even correctly asked.
outliergenetix
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i would suggest binging on the potcast. mainly episodes with skunk va, nspecta, bodhi and mean gene. skunk va was first hand involved with the chemdog crew in that they knew each other and shared stuff.
chemdog was it's own thing, it's origns unknown as it was a bagseed supposedly not bred. skunk va however shared, with the chemdog crew, the super skunk. i am sure crosses were made but chemdog itself has no actual skunk in it.
also skunk itself is a bit controversial and many will say the skunks sold in seed today are not skunky. i have not grown any skunk from a breeder so idk. i actually have an afghan skunk from expert seeds germing rn so we shall see.
personally i think other things beyond genetics and terps play a role in the actual skunk smell us old ppl remmeber and rarely smell today. i have recently started putting more sulfur in my soil mix and teas trying to bring out more skunky and rotten profiles. i think there is something to this. it is known that sulfurs bond to terps, and it is possible it makes them smell like rotten eggs, garlic or skunk. this happens in other plants like skunk cabbage. it is very possible a mechanism like this is at play in skunked weed. i think the genetic part is a predisposition to whatever bioprotectent mechanism is causing this bonding of sulfides and creation of other compounds. you can listen to kevin jodrey talk about his skunk project for some of this info, other parts i theorized on my own after reading some books, not written by cannabis growers, on terps, esters and amines(amines include stuff like like skatole which is responsible for feces and decay smells in plants who want to attract carrions, beetles and flies)
**i'd like to note skunk cabbage emits this odor in the same manor, as a bio protectant. it does it to attract it's main pollinators to it by smelling like rotten skunk, it's pollinators include flies and stoneflies so you can imgine why the rotten smell is an advantage. so again imo it is likely skunk weed is a phenotypical expression caused by some need for a bio protectant under certain circumstances however i theorize sullfur is the ingredient needed to facilitate this when it does want to occur. so sulfur alone wont cause it but sulfur in high dosages present when it does want to do this is what conditions need to be met
** let me also add sulfur is key to wetlands and exists in high quantities and this is where skunk cabbage grows so...
***here is a research paper on skunk cabbage and it's smell***
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.841.5524&rep=rep1&type=pdf
- notice among other things that Dimethyl disulfide is in every sample but two in both male and female species of skunk cabbage. it occurs in more samples than any other compound tested, and is responsible for the creation of other smelly compounds that mimick skunks, urine, rotten meat, garlic etc.... she concludes - "S. foetidus would be dominated by a single compound, such as an oligosulfide or amine, and may contain compounds from other chemical classes. The results of this study showed the primary component of the skunk cabbage scent to be the oligosulfide, dimethyl disulfide
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CoB_nUt
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Yea, I binged on it for a month. The Aussie potcast right? Listening to and relistening to it a few times, I came away with a lot of respect for some of those guys and their compassion for the the plant and it's preservation.
I grabbed some gooey breeder gear based on his potcast. There are others I'm going to grab from the cast also. Skunk va,bohdi,bog and a few others.
Sulphur works for terps! That and also a stable ph down, sulphuric acid (I'm in soiless).
Skunk in my region as a youngsta, was unmistakeable! Oh yea, it had seeds and still dank. Not like the supposed skunk lines I have tasted as of late. It was a repulsive,appalling stench..until I was old enuff to partake. I've never run any skunk so there's that. Duke Diamond, Nspecta, Skunk va are working and releasing skunk lines iirc. Then There's Festers..etc..etc.. The skunk has eluded a many of people in search of it and tried to recreate it.
I think and it may be my noobness but there's skunky stench in south america. I've grown out mexibrick seeds that had a skunky nostalgic effect and smell,No fruit. Rank dankness.
I find the part in your post about sulphurs, enlightening and worthy of further research.
I grabbed some gooey breeder gear based on his potcast. There are others I'm going to grab from the cast also. Skunk va,bohdi,bog and a few others.
Sulphur works for terps! That and also a stable ph down, sulphuric acid (I'm in soiless).
Skunk in my region as a youngsta, was unmistakeable! Oh yea, it had seeds and still dank. Not like the supposed skunk lines I have tasted as of late. It was a repulsive,appalling stench..until I was old enuff to partake. I've never run any skunk so there's that. Duke Diamond, Nspecta, Skunk va are working and releasing skunk lines iirc. Then There's Festers..etc..etc.. The skunk has eluded a many of people in search of it and tried to recreate it.
I think and it may be my noobness but there's skunky stench in south america. I've grown out mexibrick seeds that had a skunky nostalgic effect and smell,No fruit. Rank dankness.
I find the part in your post about sulphurs, enlightening and worthy of further research.
outliergenetix
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i use langbeneite for one, you can also actually buy liquid sulfur for plants at lowes in the home and garden center or u can use sulphates in general i beleive. i am not a chemist and i definitely have not researched this in a soiless scenario, but i would imagine that is a whole other ball of wax. tho i have seen ppl incorporate brewers in their hydo even, but again i have no research or xp in that area so idk what can be accomplished soiless. and to be clear this is a hypothesis that sulfur under certain circumstances bind to terps and makes them different and stronger. i ammended what i wrote above if you wanna re-read it. i even put a link to a paper on skunk cabbage and it's smells that describes the process i specualte may be involved in skunky weed. again tho just my guess not facts. regarding terps however, sulfur does bind to them, that is a fact, same with amines nd esters to i believe, and between those compounds you have all those old smells we dont see in weed often. smells like skunk, garlic, feces, cat piss, rotten and rancid food etc...
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macsnax
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What about the blue tongue?
Schwaggy P
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Comparison between Chem D leaf traits and Useful's Chem D x Banana Kush leaf traits. These characteristics have been observed in 3 phenos of the Chem D x Banana Kush. They seem sporadic and do not affect all leaves.
The three corollary traits are:
The three corollary traits are:
- Variegation
- Leaf deformation occurring with (but not necessarily always in conjunction with) instances of variegation
- Double serration
outliergenetix
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yay science!!! nice post man
sharptater
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Almost 3 weeks flower. Starting to see pistils and beginning to bud.
main cola
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Wow that’s a bush right there man..Nice looking girl
Useful Seeds
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She is blowin up!!!! Nice, as always, thanks for the updates.
sharptater
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Thanks guys. I still consider myself a noob, just try to keep things simple. Ive been tucking and plucking leaves to expose as many bud sites as I can to light and fresh air. Been a super easy grow, things keep going well I believe this will be my best grow so far.
Useful Seeds
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Glad to hear she has been easy on ya...lol. By the looks of things, ya may want to change your noob status.
Featherartist
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Boyfriend is over here freaking out that the Landos stash has 11 fingers per fan. He asked me to post a picture... as a newb, I'm thinking this is quite common.
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outliergenetix
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idk about common but it is normal for the number of fan leaves to vary from say 7-9 on indicas, hower ruderalis can have up to 13. may be some ditch weed mixed with that landos
lol, joking sativas can also have 13 leaflets but you never know. I would say tho it is normal just not super common. looks like the color of an indica and the leaflets of a sativa dom hybrid to me
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OtisCampbell
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Interesting email from GLG.. also, I managed to gnab a FPOG freebie today after someone slacked on their order..
SmokeAL0t
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Good evening, Useful crowd. Hope everyone is great and your gardens the same.
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I love various expressions like these but haven't found correlation(s) with desired traits (such as heavier production or higher potency). None the less, it doesn't mean your old man might not be onto something special, if he feels giddy about the plant.
Hope it turns out special for y'all!
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I've had 17-fingers show (normal leaf base) with 6 extra (mutant) blades for a total of 23. Pictures are either running around here, there mag, or one of the older forums that're long shut down now.
I love various expressions like these but haven't found correlation(s) with desired traits (such as heavier production or higher potency). None the less, it doesn't mean your old man might not be onto something special, if he feels giddy about the plant.
Hope it turns out special for y'all!
rollinfunk
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Oh xmas bud, oh xmas bud....when will you be, my treeeeeeees? I'm excited for these useful. gonna snag a pack of the chocolate pine hopefully.