GM laying off 15% of workers and shutting down 5 plants due to trump tariffs

too larry

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the tax cuts were in theory earmarked to help expand your business. christ, it went from 35% to 21% and all GM could think of doing was a stock buyback, reorg and fire everyone?

don't come back during the next recession to be saved from going under..
Making cars folks don't buy will help no one. They are doing what companies do. What is best for their stock holders.

{and no one paid 35%, like most of them will not be paying 21% now. Tax lawyers are worth their weight in bit coin}
 

too larry

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Happy I got rebates to install energy reducing appliances ...... yup I am. Happy that it provided employment for my techs... yup I am. Happy that it helped homeowners install new windows, insulation, heat pumps, etc. ..... yup happy. Happy that the government cancelled it..... nope not happy.
We got a tax break on our first Prius. Would have most likely bought it anyway, but it did help make up our minds.
 

schuylaar

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Many apartments already have ev charging stations, if not you may have to pay to have a plug put in. Or use one of the thousands of free Tesla chargers, or charge at work....
yeah i could've googled but it much for fun having the conversation. i don't recall seeing them anywhere at the apartment building i used to call on..where are they normally located? i've not seen dedicated spaces and hook-up only at some supermarkets. it's like florida is way behind.

and jim crow is alive and well here..that felon vote restoration we got passed is now headed for trouble by DeSantis saying he has to make a special law for it..read: voter suppression..he's not going to allow them to vote even though we passed it by a HUGE margin. just like dispensaries..we're not allowed to have them, but medical okay.
 

Budley Doright

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We are going back to the sixties and seventies! Relax. Remember how they rusted out and you were lucky if you got 100k out of one. Car manufacturing will be bigly. Trump said so. Maybe lead in gas again.
Well the the mid 70’s on were shit but my 63 Chevy impala had 300,000 miles and no rust but it did spend 6 months a year in Florida for half its life. My 65 rambler was going strong with over 300,000 when I sold it, loved that car, seats folded into a bed and had cooler under the back one ;).
 

schuylaar

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Making cars folks don't buy will help no one. They are doing what companies do. What is best for their stock holders.

{and no one paid 35%, like most of them will not be paying 21% now. Tax lawyers are worth their weight in bit coin}
ahhhhh yes, the stockholder..all the more reason not to do business with the company. i believe in companies with true mission to not fvck the consumer.

people are looking around now as they like choice. kids don't even want cars which is one reason for the cutback..so many clean lease turn ins minus the depreciation over new?

new cars are a novelty.

less children are being born.

'us europeans need to get used to being popped by black people'..some girl said this to me today..'ummmm, i'm american'..we all don't carry torches. 'well wherever your roots are from and i didn't give you permission to talk to me'..'sorry i tried to interact and learn about you..your nasty attitude is why things are as they are'.
 
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Budley Doright

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Where did I ever say damage could be reversed? You keep jumping to solutions when there is no one solution that can get us off fossil fuels. Now you are putting words in my mouth. There is no technical reason preventing conversion of the global energy system to sustainable, non-polluting alternatives. The main problem is political.
Are you drunk? Your right I didn’t say you said that...fuck. And as I’ve said over and over there are many tools in the bag, again fuck lol
 

schuylaar

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We are going back to the sixties and seventies! Relax. Remember how they rusted out and you were lucky if you got 100k out of one. Car manufacturing will be bigly. Trump said so. Maybe lead in gas again.
volvo has high mileage club for every 100k..i knew a few people with 4-5 badges on those old 740s
 

Fogdog

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Are you drunk? Your right I didn’t say you said that...fuck. And as I’ve said over and over there are many tools in the bag, again fuck lol
I never said the damage could be reversed so why did you bring it up? You continually put up one straw man solution as if it were the only one then knock it down. Now you are getting angry, why?

So, answer MY question: do you doubt the analysis and forecasts for global warming if we don't switch our energy supplies away from fossil fuels to sustainable non-polluting sources of energy?
 

schuylaar

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I never said the damage could be reversed so why did you bring it up? You continually put up one straw man solution as if it were the only one then knock it down. Now you are getting angry, why?

So, answer MY question: do you doubt the analysis and forecasts for global warming if we don't switch our energy supplies away from fossil fuels to sustainable non-polluting sources of energy?
what is it with you and YOUR questions? people answer them all the time- you just don't like the answer and want a re-do.

in debate this is where you say 'i disagree because XXXXXXX'..you can't mold someone into your brainthink.
 

schuylaar

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They cancelled ours this fall, along with all other rebates and incentives brought in by the liberals.
the cancellation is bad but may i point out that you didn't need to say 'brought in by liberals'..this is keeping us divided, tribal and ideology politics.

we really need to stop with the labels- it's destroying us.
 

Budley Doright

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I never said the damage could be reversed so why did you bring it up? You continually put up one straw man solution as if it were the only one then knock it down. Now you are getting angry, why?

So, answer MY question: do you doubt the analysis and forecasts for global warming if we don't switch our energy supplies away from fossil fuels to sustainable non-polluting sources of energy?
I didn’t bring up for your benefit, I brought it up because I’m fucking concerned. When did I put down anything other than solar hot water and didn’t really put it down, just not great for saving money which yes matters to me.when it’s possible to do both. Please state where I’ve knocked down anything? And yes I doubt the the forecasts ..... I think their being too conservative, I think we have pretty much past the point of no return but don’t take that as giving up. I still try to upgrade my house by doing things every year even if I’m only one person, it all helps. Well I think so anyways.
 

Budley Doright

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the cancellation is bad but may i point out that you didn't need to say 'brought in by liberals'..this is keeping us divided, tribal and ideology politics.

we really need to stop with the labels- it's destroying us.
Well it was the liberals lol, we have the Liberal party, the conservatives, and the NDP, oh ya and the greens, a few others that don’t count.
 
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