another NEWBIE asking for help!!!!!!

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madCaw32

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I started a hydro drip system the beginning of this month. everything went perfect smooth sailing through germ and beginning growth. annnnnnnd now we are here, i will list my setup and add a few pics. i know for a fact my PH and temp are ok. this is the first time using this light. there are alot of first in this situation so too many variables. auto juicy lucy is the strain.( i think i hit it too hard w my nuits and locked the roots?)


viparspectra 1350w (around 550-600 true watts) 3x3x6 tent using general hydroponics nutrients( i used the recommended dose) 24 light i dialed the light back to about 60% thinking it was light. this is day 2 of this. i have flushed the nuits and cut them in half.....even added calmag to the mix 12 hrs before this and no change. i feel i am close to losing this one and i want to figure out wtf happened before i jump back in. only thing my uneducated self could come up with was a zinc issue? any feedback would be more than appreciated! merry Christmas ya filthy animals!
 

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Koheleth

Koheleth

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60 percent is still way too much light for a plant that size. There's no doubt about it.

I have a Vivaspectra 450 that's an actual 210 watts. That's too much light for a plant that size. I dial it back to about 60 percent blue, 20 percent white, and 60 percent red at that stage.

Look at the par chart for your light. It needs about 700 to 1000, and that's it.
 
SoMe_EfFin_MasS_HoLe

SoMe_EfFin_MasS_HoLe

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If shes still green and not an auto you can most likely nurse her back. I've never grown outside of soil but I'm sure if you feed her plain h20 for a bit and keep your temps & rh in check you should be fine. Best of luck & happy grows
 
pinner420

pinner420

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Calmag not needed at this tender age. Cut back to .6 ec for about 4 days. Nudge up to 1.0 after another set develops. Pinch of kelp! Merry Christmas!
 
Thundercat

Thundercat

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This plant is to young for you to be feeding all those nutrients!

It still has its seedling leaves on it. which means it doesn't need nutes or not many. You can see the nutrient salts sitting on the leaves from the over spray of your drip system.

This is a seedling still, not a vegging plant. You don't need to feed seedlings anything but water, or if you do feed them it should be a very small amount. They need a very small amount of water too keep the root zone moist. You don't want it wet, just moist. If you over water them the roots can't get oxygen and the plant won't grow.

Overwatering is one of the biggest problems new growers have. They are always nervous about everything and afraid of killing the plant, but to much fiddling around and worrying often times leads to more issues then it prevents.

K.I.S.S. is the best route for new growers. In the last 13 years I've been growing I have come to the conclusion that very often less is more with plants.
 
NanoGadget

NanoGadget

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I'm almost positive that is a hyrdofarm he is growing in. If so, we can stop speculating about over/under watering.
Also, he clearly states in the OP that it is indeed an autoflower.
It's great to try to help new growers, but you have to actually read the entire post and make sure you know the situation before you start throwing ideas around or you could make it worse.

To the OP, you %100 overfed it. For a very young plant in rDWC (which is what the waterfarm units are) you need almost nothing in the water. 1/4 strength calmag in pH adjusted RO is all I'd have in that bucket right now.
It would also be helpful to know what you've been keeping the pH, EC, and water temps of your reservoir at.
 
Thundercat

Thundercat

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Him using a hydrofarm isn't really a variable as to whether he has overwatered at this stage. At this stage it's very easy for new growers to over water, and that in combination with slamming it with nutes has stopped the growth. I'd bet the roots aren't near the res yet. Its getting to wet from the drippers. From the way it looks like there is salts on the leaves, I would wonder if the drippers have been spraying on the plant which isn't good either.

With the fact that its an auto flower, I would bet this plant is fucked. I could be wrong though, maybe it could still spring back and turn into something. I think that would depend heavily on whether the plant has totally stopped growing and maturing during this issue. If it keeps maturing genetically I would bet that even if it recovers some, it will be stunned to a small size.
 
NanoGadget

NanoGadget

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I own waterfarms. Done several runs with them. Its pretty hard to overwater. You almost have to try to do so. The drippers don't put out that much unless you hook up a bigger aftermarket pump. Plus hydroton holds little water.
As you said... he nuked it with salts and that is what we need to focus on.
 
Thundercat

Thundercat

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If his plant is that covered in salts it was just as covered in water was my point. At that stage that is way to much.

I don't run hydrofarms, but I do use hydroton. At this plants stage the rooting medium is more important then the grow medium. If he is using rockwool, or even rapid rooters, they will be holding all that water that is dripping down the plant.
 
NanoGadget

NanoGadget

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Thundercat said:
If his plant is that covered in salts it was just as covered in water was my point. At that stage that is way to much.

I don't run hydrofarms, but I do use hydroton. At this plants stage the rooting medium is more important then the grow medium. If he is using rockwool, or even rapid rooters, they will be holding all that water that is dripping down the plant.
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Yeah thats a good point. You do have to keep splattering to a minimum with those systems when the plant is that small. So leaf damage from nutrient splash combined with an EC that was undoubtedly way too high..... problems.

Personally i let my seedlings get quite a bit taller that that before transplanting into the waterfarm.
 
Thundercat

Thundercat

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Yeah my seedlings always get a few sets of leaves, and a nice amount of roots before I put them into my hydro system. That way I know they are ready to drink and grow!
 
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madCaw32

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Wyche431 said:
Are you using rockwool?
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its under the rock
NanoGadget said:
I'm almost positive that is a hyrdofarm he is growing in. If so, we can stop speculating about over/under watering.
Also, he clearly states in the OP that it is indeed an autoflower.
It's great to try to help new growers, but you have to actually read the entire post and make sure you know the situation before you start throwing ideas around or you could make it worse.

To the OP, you %100 overfed it. For a very young plant in rDWC (which is what the waterfarm units are) you need almost nothing in the water. 1/4 strength calmag in pH adjusted RO is all I'd have in that bucket right now.
It would also be helpful to know what you've been keeping the pH, EC, and water temps of your reservoir at.
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got too excited and pushing too fast. after the listed changes and just h2o for the last two days she has bounced back. its a marathon not a sprint......im sure she is ok now prolly set back on yield but we will see. thanks for the advice everyone.
 
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