Overwatering, underwatering, and repotting stress?

[IIReignManII]

I've got a two week old seedling that is drooping after switching it from its cup to a 1 gallon bag...It hadn't been watered maybe a day and a half or so before I transplanted into a coco/castings/perlite mix. I'm sure I couldnt have overwatered it. If anything I'm leaning towards underwatered? How much water would you normally add to a 1 gallon fresh mix? I maybe added 20 ounces or so, more or less? I was scared of overwatering, so maybe I underwatered? Or maybe I did neither and its just repotting stress?

 

[jondamon]

Ok firstly.

Coco is an inert media. Meaning that it carries no nutrients by itself.

Usually most coco is pre charged by manufacturers with a basic amount of nutrients to keep plants fed for maybe a week if you’re lucky.

I grow in coco and a plant that size in a pot that size would be getting watered until I had a good amount of drain out of the bottom.

I would be adding my nutrients at around 0.8EC and watering every other day.

Why have you added worm castings to your coco?

What nutrients are you planning on using?

Coco is pretty hard to over water!

Due to its natural air content when it drains water away.

You need to make sure you always water until you have around 20% runoff of what you put in.

If you put 20oz in you need to get 4oz back out of the bottom.

 

[IIReignManII]

Ok firstly.

Coco is an inert media. Meaning that it carries no nutrients by itself.

Usually most coco is pre charged by manufacturers with a basic amount of nutrients to keep plants fed for maybe a week if you’re lucky.

I grow in coco and a plant that size in a pot that size would be getting watered until I had a good amount of drain out of the bottom.

I would be adding my nutrients at around 0.8EC and watering every other day.

Why have you added worm castings to your coco?

What nutrients are you planning on using?

Coco is pretty hard to over water!

Due to its natural air content when it drains water away.

You need to make sure you always water until you have around 20% runoff of what you put in.

If you put 20oz in you need to get 4oz back out of the bottom.

I have organic nutes...I have bone, blood, compost, castings, alfalfa, greensand, kelp, and azomite, mykos, and Oregonism on hand. I mixed up about a tsp each of the blood, bone, kelp, alfalfa and mykos/Oregonism and top dressed it and gave it another good watering.

 

[SPLFreak808]

I have organic nutes...I have bone, blood, compost, castings, alfalfa, greensand, kelp, and azomite, mykos, and Oregonism on hand. I mixed up about a tsp each of the blood, bone, kelp, alfalfa and mykos/Oregonism and top dressed it and gave it another good watering.

Read both and pick a method, mixing them isn't recommended unless you are highly experienced

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.growweedeasy.com/coco-coir?amp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.growweedeasy.com/soil?amp

 

[IIReignManII]

Read both and pick a method, mixing them isn't recommended unless you are highly experienced

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.growweedeasy.com/coco-coir?amp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.growweedeasy.com/soil?amp

Coco is just an alternative for peat in my soil....theres nothing wrong with that

 

[jondamon]

Coco is just an alternative for peat in my soil....theres nothing wrong with that

the CEC of coco is completely different to that of soil or peat.

Peat is usually mixed into soil to help fill it up without using extra nutrient rich soil.

Do you understand how organic gardening actually works?

A lot of the nutrients you feed to the soil (notice I said soil here) needs to be converted into available nutrient ions for the plants to uptake by being broken down by organisms and bacteria etc this is be fundamental principle of organic nutrients.

With synthetic nutrients they are already in ionic form for uptake.

Organic gardening you take care of the microbes and bacteria in order for them to feed your plants.

 

[IIReignManII]

the CEC of coco is completely different to that of soil or peat.

Peat is usually mixed into soil to help fill it up without using extra nutrient rich soil.

Do you understand how organic gardening actually works?

A lot of the nutrients you feed to the soil (notice I said soil here) needs to be converted into available nutrient ions for the plants to uptake by being broken down by organisms and bacteria etc this is be fundamental principle of organic nutrients.

With synthetic nutrients they are already in ionic form for uptake.

Organic gardening you take care of the microbes and bacteria in order for them to feed your plants.

The mix is a third compost and earthworm castings and contains mykos and oregonism as well...I dont get what you're trying to say? It contains humus, microbes, and nutrients. I was under the assumption that the castings and compost would be able to fuel such a young plant while the microbes break down the amendments I added

 

[crimsonecho]

I think you should go with synthetics this run and always water till you get a good runoff and never let it dry.

 

[jondamon]

The mix is 1/3 compost and earthworm castings and contains mykos and oregonism as well...I dont get what you're trying to say? It contains humus, microbes, and nutrients

What I’m trying to say is that you can’t just add microbes and expect them to instantly work.

They have to establish a symbiotic relationship to begin the conversion process of the organic compounds your feeding them.

 

[IIReignManII]

I think you should go with synthetics this run and always water till you get a good runoff and never let it dry.

Definitely going to stick to organics

 

[crimsonecho]

Definitely going to stick to organics

Wish you a bountiful harvest then. I suggest you read up on your organics tho. Some of those stuff you mix have a long break down period.

 

[IIReignManII]

What I’m trying to say is that you can’t just add microbes and expect them to instantly work.

They have to establish a symbiotic relationship to begin the conversion process of the organic compounds your feeding them.

Right, I assumed the casting and compost and the bit of soluble nitrogen thats in the alfalfa would be plenty for a two week old plant as the microbes do their work.

 

[SPLFreak808]

Coco is just an alternative for peat in my soil....theres nothing wrong with that

Ah i see, thought you were just running pure coco perlite with an organic top layer.

Its a 33/33/33 mix? That can work but is still a bitch with organic nutrients.

Maybe give it a week to settle and watch for a health improvement?

 

[IIReignManII]

Ah i see, thought you were just running pure coco perlite with an organic top layer.

Its a 33/33/33 mix? That can work but is still a bitch with organic nutrients.

Maybe give it a week to settle and watch for a health improvement?

Yep its a 33/33/33 mix....In hindsight I should have went ahead and put those nutes and microbes into the mix instead of topdressing them in after but for some reason I was thinking it was still to early too throw in the meals yet.

 

[IIReignManII]

It wasnt the cleanest repotting job so I was hoping it wasnt a nutritional issue yet and I may have just banged the roots up on transplanting or maybe didnt water enough...It didnt want to come out of the cup cleanly at first so I gently tore away the stryfoam it was in instead of trying to force it out

 

[jondamon]

This is my 4 week old blue dream plant grown from seed in straight coco with no amendments and synthetic fert’s.

She’s been topped and trimmed up a little.

I have literally just potted her up into her final pot this evening where I will be switching to flower schedule on maybe Thursday.

 

[IIReignManII]

Still looking about the same hasn't got worse but hasn't really perked up yet...I notice the leaves feel a little papery. Still just banking on repotting stress that she will bounce back from. I top dressed in some more compost and some azomite that I forgot to put in with the first topdressing of alfalfa, kelp, blood, bone, mykos, and oregonism

 

[Thegermling]

I've got a two week old seedling that is drooping after switching it from its cup to a 1 gallon bag...It hadn't been watered maybe a day and a half or so before I transplanted into a coco/castings/perlite mix. I'm sure I couldnt have overwatered it. If anything I'm leaning towards underwatered? How much water would you normally add to a 1 gallon fresh mix? I maybe added 20 ounces or so, more or less? I was scared of overwatering, so maybe I underwatered? Or maybe I did neither and its just repotting stress?

Its probably transplant stress to be honest. I grow in pure coco because its perfect. When I transplant I usually use a benificial product like recharge and water it in. Plants never seem to skip a beat. You can water coco every day even at transplant in my experience at least. The plants will thank you for a constant oxygen supply by blowing up with growth just like in dwc.

 

[Bugeye]

Are hydroponic grows overwatered?

 

[Thegermling]

Still looking about the same hasn't got worse but hasn't really perked up yet...I notice the leaves feel a little papery. Still just banking on repotting stress that she will bounce back from. I top dressed in some more compost and some azomite that I forgot to put in with the first topdressing of alfalfa, kelp, blood, bone, mykos, and oregonism

Heres an easy way to tell underwatering from overwatering: lift up a leaf by the petiole, if it feels loose like spaghetti then thats underwatering, if the leaf is hard when lifted up (kind of like resisting your pushing up) then thats overwatering. Next time, should you choose to grow with coco, use it all alone and water daily. What seems to be the problem is the transplant though.