RAW. anyone used this before?

[Greenthumbs256]

OK I stumbled across this stuff, there's over 15 kinds, everything from kelp, to potassium, to bloom microbes! has anyone used this before, or even seen it around, from what I've read I'm very impressed!

if anyone can help me out with some info on these products, I would appreciate it a ton, but if I find more info on it, I'll post it here as well.

I found the products while searching a seller on amazon, and some of the things they sell, if their not bs, would be absolutely amazing to have on hand!

 

[Greenthumbs256]

there is all kinds of stuff, this would be amazing to have on hand, if you ever come across a deficiency, or just wanna add a Lil boost to your organics!

 

[Wetdog]

there is all kinds of stuff, this would be amazing to have on hand, if you ever come across a deficiency, or just wanna add a Lil boost to your organics!View attachment 4258861

The only amazing things are 1) RAW's profit margins and 2) A very talented writer of Ad copy.

Wet

 

[AkFrost]

I’ve been using the RAW line up for a while and I took Harley’s master class a couple yrs ago when I was still doing hydro. I still use some of there OMRI listed products for my No-Till (Potassium, Kelp, Humic Acid, Silica, and Yucca). In my opinion they have quality products and my favorites are the Yucca and Silica. There Silica is unique and i like to recommend it when ever i get the chance. Honestly I'm surprised more people don't use it. Yucca is yucca and has always been awesome...lol. As far as price goes, Ive always been satisfied as the little baggy it comes in is only like $12 and has lasted me forever. One little baggy of silica makes 200 gallons and the yucca makes a 1000! If your going to use the yucca in 5 gallons or less, you'll need to invest in some micro measuring spoons as it recommends 1/16 tsp per 5 gallons of water. Here is a short video of Harley explaining a little about the Silica.

 

[PhatNuggz]

Why pay for water and shipping weight, which is factored into the price? Everybody should have a quality RO for cooking and drinking water, using it to mix dry nutes is just icing on the cake

Been using it on/off for a couple years now to replace all the freakin bottles of Emerald Harvest liquid nutes. I have an qulity RO (~19ppm). Don't get me wrong, EH is excellent, but even with A and B I still add 3-4 EH supplements, as per their feed chart. Now, it is quite possible that the A and B alone will rock some serious meds, but I bought into the W9Ys, and have enough left for 2-3 more grows

After they're done I plant o revisit NPK RAW using their Grow and Bloom formulas + enzymes + yucca + silica

I also have a sample of MegaCrop (another dry mix)

 

[NrthrnMichigan]

Can find cheaper dry NPK elsewhere. RAW is over priced for what it is.

 

[PhatNuggz]

Please tell us based on fact, why you say RAW is overpriced

Raw ingredients come in various qualities based on purity.

 

[NrthrnMichigan]

Ok, here is one example while I wait for my car to warm up
https://www.amazon.com/NPK-Industries-Potassium-Fertilizers-8-Ounce/dp/B01NCMQUO3/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1546699953&sr=8-9&keywords=npk+raw+potassium
Choose just about any product with the same compound from this list:
https://www.google.com/search?q=potassium+sulfate&source=lnms&tbm=shop&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj8hJPA89bfAhVvq4MKHW6UAGgQ_AUIDigB&biw=1536&bih=806

 

[NrthrnMichigan]

After they're done I plant o revisit NPK RAW using their Grow and Bloom formulas + enzymes + yucca + silica

I also have a sample of MegaCrop (another dry mix)

I'v been using MegaCrop with very good results. Looks to be much cheaper than Raws all in one 2 part.

 

[ttystikk]

Please tell us based on fact, why you say RAW is overpriced

Raw ingredients come in various qualities based on purity.

Plants don't need medical grade purity.

Agricultural grade nutrient salts are entirely sufficient; hence the grading. The notion that RAW brand dry nutrients are in any way different or superior to standard agricultural nutrient salts is false and only shows your ignorance of the underlying chemistry.

I don't mean to insult you; you just clearly don't know any better and therefore you believe the marketing bullshit. There's a reason why people get degrees in agronomy; it turns out there's a lot to learn about how to grow plants well!

Here's a site that supplies nutrients to commerical agricultural facilities of all kinds- including commercial cannabis operations in Colorado and elsewhere;

https://hydro-gardens.com/

I've used their products for years with excellent results. They have my highest personal recommendation for knowledgeable advice and customer service. Just don't ask them for 'voodoo juice' LMAO!

You might like to take a closer look at their '4-20' mix; its NPK ratio is 4-20-36 plus all necessary micronutrients. It's designed to be used with equal weight of calcium nitrate and amended as desired with magnesium sulfate- yes, epsom salt, the very same stuff you can get at the pharmacy.

The more you learn about the basic chemistry involved in plant nutrition, the more you'll save and the less you'll be tempted to buy into the 'growing nutes' hype. Like me, you'll probably end up being pretty pissed off about how badly you've been getting ripped off!

 

[ttystikk]

And one more thing; nutrient salts aren't 'organic' either, no matter what their origin.

Most nutrient salts start life as byproducts of fossil fuel refining.

 

[AkFrost]

I’m not a commercial gardener and I live in Alaska. My plant count is always at or under 12 plants. So shipping usually costs as much as the product I buy, so I get my stuff locally and try to cut back on the carbon footprint of shipping. There products are a lot better than most products you’ll find in the hydro store imho and one of the only dry nutrients in a grow store! I have to worry about it getting wet and turning into a rock more than I do running out of it. Which just goes to show it’s one of the best products you’ll find in a grow store vs a little bit of nutrients in a bottle of water. Which is a rip off! They do offer some of the highest concentrations of some things available to the home gardener. Which is what im thinking phatnuggz was referring to.

 

[AkFrost]

And one more thing; nutrient salts aren't 'organic' either, no matter what their origin.

Most nutrient salts start life as byproducts of fossil fuel refining.

. Very true! I recently replaced the use of there potassium product with a Cantaloupe FPJ. So far it’s working great.

 

[PhatNuggz]

And one more thing; nutrient salts aren't 'organic' either, no matter what their origin.

Most nutrient salts start life as byproducts of fossil fuel refining.

You shouldn't respond when you're stoned, as you don't comprehend well, or maybe vice versa.

I never said RAW was ' better', neiither did I suggest its' purity. I merely questioned why he said "Can find cheaper dry NPK elsewhere. RAW is over priced for what it is"

I merely pointed out there are grades of materials, and asked for proof of his statement, which ,BTW, says nothing about being Agri pure

 

[NrthrnMichigan]

Imo the only thing NPK Raw is missing is the fancy label and water, it's still way over priced for what it is.

 

[NrthrnMichigan]

I’m not a commercial gardener and I live in Alaska. My plant count is always at or under 12 plants. So shipping usually costs as much as the product I buy, so I get my stuff locally and try to cut back on the carbon footprint of shipping. There products are a lot better than most products you’ll find in the hydro store imho and one of the only dry nutrients in a grow store! I have to worry about it getting wet and turning into a rock more than I do running out of it. Which just goes to show it’s one of the best products you’ll find in a grow store vs a little bit of nutrients in a bottle of water. Which is a rip off! They do offer some of the highest concentrations of some things available to the home gardener. Which is what im thinking phatnuggz was referring to.

I understand about having limited resources, have you looked into Mega Crop or Jacks dry nutrients? I'll bet shipping to Alaska isn't cheap for anything.

 

[kushdaddy1980]

i havent used the R.A.W products but i used their formula to come up with a combination of ingredients comparable to it for way cheaper. There are 10 things that learned about through their video that help the plant/soil microbes to function.
1) N-P-K, you want a small amount of available nutrients for the plants to get established.
2) Calcium/Magnesium, Bio catalysts that help the plant correct nutrient deficiencies
3) Amino acids, they prevent powdery molds and improve sugar content.
4) Silica, helps with extreme temps dehydration
5) Kelp, root stimulants, auxins, cytokins
6) Humic acids, synergistic with kelp ion exchanger helps create carbohydrates
7) Fulvic acids are similar to humic acids but are smaller particles more refined.
8 ) Yucca, "wetting agent" breaks water tension helps absorbtion of water
9) B vitamins, helps plant metabolism
10) Molasses, provides simple sugars and also cal/mag.

im using all but 3 of these in my soil but wouldnt hurt if i added them to the mix.i just couldnt afford it all yet. I dont have fulvic acids, yucca, or b vitamins, but plants are doing great with the products im using and they were way cheaper than raw.

I can give you a breakdown of what i subsituted for raw products, or you can find a recipe of things that works for you, but i feel if you have those 10 things your good to go providing your climate is correct.

 

[AkFrost]

I understand about having limited resources, have you looked into Mega Crop or Jacks dry nutrients? I'll bet shipping to Alaska isn't cheap for anything.

I haven’t. I switched to a no-till setup over a year ago and don’t use salt based nutrients anymore. Thanks for the recommendation though.

 

[AkFrost]

i havent used the R.A.W products but i used their formula to come up with a combination of ingredients comparable to it for way cheaper. There are 10 things that learned about through their video that help the plant/soil microbes to function.
1) N-P-K, you want a small amount of available nutrients for the plants to get established.
2) Calcium/Magnesium, Bio catalysts that help the plant correct nutrient deficiencies
3) Amino acids, they prevent powdery molds and improve sugar content.
4) Silica, helps with extreme temps dehydration
5) Kelp, root stimulants, auxins, cytokins
6) Humic acids, synergistic with kelp ion exchanger helps create carbohydrates
7) Fulvic acids are similar to humic acids but are smaller particles more refined.
8 ) Yucca, "wetting agent" breaks water tension helps absorbtion of water
9) B vitamins, helps plant metabolism
10) Molasses, provides simple sugars and also cal/mag.

im using all but 3 of these in my soil but wouldnt hurt if i added them to the mix.i just couldnt afford it all yet. I dont have fulvic acids, yucca, or b vitamins, but plants are doing great with the products im using and they were way cheaper than raw.

I can give you a breakdown of what i subsituted for raw products, or you can find a recipe of things that works for you, but i feel if you have those 10 things your good to go providing your climate is correct.

You have quite a few of those wrong. I would recommend reading some of Harley’s articles or there are some videos on YouTube. He gives out a lot of information. Maximum yield has some good ones too.

 

[kushdaddy1980]

You have quite a few of those wrong. I would recommend reading some of Harley’s articles or there are some videos on YouTube. He gives out a lot of information. Maximum yield has some good ones too.

a harley smith video is where i got most of that information this is the actual video i took my notes from

what did i have wrong?