Weed sexism

Antitheist

Antitheist

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slinkysaurus said:
Umm are we still allowed to call hermie plants males or do they now have to be non gender specific :bigjoint: hahaha
#theworldhasgonemad
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Males don't have buds. They aren't males. Females don't have balls. I'm no expert on chromosomes but I think they are female usually according to that.
Personally I think they are something else altogether.
As far as evolution is concerned, hermies are better. In a wild setting they are more likely to pass on their genes.
A bird can shit out 1 hermie seed anywhere and it can reproduce with itself, making more seeds and more cannabis.
 
curious2garden

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slinkysaurus said:
Umm are we still allowed to call hermie plants males or do they now have to be non gender specific :bigjoint: hahaha
#theworldhasgonemad
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Hermaphrodite is not a politically correct term, it is a scientifically accurate one, describing a plant or animal that have both sets of reproductive organs.
 
curious2garden

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Antitheist said:
Males don't have buds. They aren't males. Females don't have balls. I'm no expert on chromosomes but I think they are female usually according to that.
Personally I think they are something else altogether.
As far as evolution is concerned, hermies are better. In a wild setting they are more likely to pass on their genes.
A bird can shit out 1 hermie seed anywhere and it can reproduce with itself, making more seeds and more cannabis.
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All cannabis has the propensity for hermaphrodism as a survival strategy. If it didn't Rodelization would not be possible.
 
Abiqua

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Hermaphrodites in cannabis plants are rare, and technically the definition in plants is both sexes located physically on a single node in dioieicy. Monoecious plants have both sexes under your definition, but at seperate nodes aka axils.
Beyond that, males also can rodelize in the absence of females to make seeds....Hermaphrodites are just one strategy of cannabis to self reproduce seeds, that is why this topic is way more nuanced than just about hermies...hormonal control is different for each seed reproduction strategy , thats what we should be asking the "why" about....
 
BudmanTX

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Abiqua said:
Hermaphrodites in cannabis plants are rare, and technically the definition in plants is both sexes located physically on a single node in dioieicy. Monoecious plants have both sexes under your definition, but at seperate nodes aka axils.
Beyond that, males also can rodelize in the absence of females to make seeds....Hermaphrodites are just one strategy of cannabis to self reproduce seeds, that is why this topic is way more nuanced than just about hermies...hormonal control is different for each seed reproduction strategy , thats what we should be asking the "why" about....
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nice definition

you know i've never seen a male rodelize

why? - in my experience with them it's more stress than it is genetic even though it does play a role.....
 
Abiqua

Abiqua

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curious2garden said:
Hermaphrodite is not a politically correct term, it is a scientifically accurate one, describing a plant or animal that have both sets of reproductive organs.
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Ultimately, I think this to be true in genomics of plant populations now, but there can exceptions like mutants and triploidy.
Mohan Ram just passed in 2018, but he spent a lifetime pumping reseach papers on reversing and selfing on specifically cannabis, shame it isnt referenced more.

But in short, yeah.

BudmanTX said:
nice definition

you know i've never seen a male rodelize

why? - in my experience with them it's more stress than it is genetic even though it does play a role.....
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Its an interesting concept. I have had femmed females go mostly male and recently I had a Northern Lights male rodelize out of a batch of males from the same stock.

I kept pollen, but dropped the project as of now, to further evaluate....
 
curious2garden

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Abiqua said:
Ultimately, I think this to be true in genomics of plant populations now, but there can exceptions like mutants and triploidy.
Mohan Ram just passed in 2018, but he spent a lifetime pumping reseach papers on reversing and selfing on specifically cannabis, shame it isnt referenced more.

But in short, yeah.



Its an interesting concept. I have had femmed females go mostly male and recently I had a Northern Lights male rodelize out of a batch of males from the same stock.

I kept pollen, but dropped the project as of now, to further evaluate....
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Do you have references to any of his work? I'd enjoy taking a look.

Here's a nice introduction to the topic. If anyone else is interested.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/artful-amoeba/for-plants-polyploidy-is-not-a-four-letter-word/
 
BudmanTX

BudmanTX

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Abiqua said:
Ultimately, I think this to be true in genomics of plant populations now, but there can exceptions like mutants and triploidy.
Mohan Ram just passed in 2018, but he spent a lifetime pumping reseach papers on reversing and selfing on specifically cannabis, shame it isnt referenced more.

But in short, yeah.



Its an interesting concept. I have had femmed females go mostly male and recently I had a Northern Lights male rodelize out of a batch of males from the same stock.

I kept pollen, but dropped the project as of now, to further evaluate....
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interesting, hmm......love to see a photo of that male that rodelized for reference. In my time honestly i've never seen one go. I've always seen females go that way with them bringing on the male qualities for self preservation of the species. Can't honestly see a male doing it, but then again these plants always surprise me on way or another...

love to see his research papers as well btw.....
 
NanoGadget

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Other than a few stress induced nanners i have never had any kind of gender swapping shenanigans in my grows... maybe I've just been really lucky. I see people talking about it on forums constantly, but i started in the early 90s and I'd have thought i would have seen it at least a few times.
 
NanoGadget

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BudmanTX said:
Those 4 words say alot......
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Very true. Even those have been exceedingly rare for me. I had my exhaust fan fail when i was away on a long weekend a couple years back and the heat stress cause maybe 10 or 15 nanners on one plant. Other than that I've been lucky.
 
BudmanTX

BudmanTX

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NanoGadget said:
Very true. Even those have been exceedingly rare for me. I had my exhaust fan fail when i was away on a long weekend a couple years back and the heat stress cause maybe 10 or 15 nanners on one plant. Other than that I've been lucky.
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that works, happy for you man...
 
bearded.beaver

bearded.beaver

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I have never flowered a male so this is mainly for experience. But I want to try and make seeds. I am in no way a breeder. I don't have nearly enough experience and this male hasn't been chosen. I just want to experiment and get some free seeds cause they are so damn expensive
 
Abiqua

Abiqua

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--Here are three Mohan references with the doi#, which will work in sci-hub.tw [I checked]

Comparative effect of silver ion and gibberellic acid on the induction of male flowers on female Cannabis Plants
Experentia March 1979, V35Issue3, pp333-334
Sarath, G., Mohan, H.Y.
DOI 10.1007/BF01964334

Induction of female flowers on male plants ofCannabis Sativa L. by 2-chloroethanephos-phonic acid
10.1007/BF01895593
Ram, H.Y.M. & Jaiswal, V.S. Experientia (1970) 26: 214

Modification of Growth and Sex Expression in Cannabis sativa by Aminoethoxyvinylglycine and Ethephon
Zeitschrift für Pflanzenphysiologie
Volume 105, Issue 2, January 1982, Pages 165-172
H.Y.Mohan Ram / Rina Sett
10.1016/S0044-328X(82)80008-1
 
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