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Greenthumbs256

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whats up with this girl! I'm a 100% organic, and my soil has just gotten out of wack, I'm sending it off to test it, and I'll handle that soon, I need a way to fix this girl that's in flower So I can get any kind of harvest from her!CM190114-045829009.jpg CM190114-045810007.jpg CM190114-045736003.jpg CM190114-045742004.jpg CM190114-045728002.jpg
 

Blitz35

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Without knowing the variables, it's impossible to say why, but the plant is showing symptoms that she's not getting the proper ratio of magnesium.
 

ShLUbY

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also agree, it looks like mag is the issue. i'm interested to see what your results say. which test did you use? don't you use a fair amount of dolomite in your mixes? i'm wondering if the pH is too alkaline, and you're not getting the proper reactions to take place in the soil.

adding sulfur to the soil helps acidify the mix (creates sulfuric acid). from what i hear, though i have not researched this myself, is that gypsum is a good source of sulfur because the Ca in the gypsum is not a carbonate form, so the sulfur will acidify and the Ca will remain inert.
 

Greenthumbs256

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also agree, it looks like mag is the issue. i'm interested to see what your results say. which test did you use? don't you use a fair amount of dolomite in your mixes? i'm wondering if the pH is too alkaline, and you're not getting the proper reactions to take place in the soil.

adding sulfur to the soil helps acidify the mix (creates sulfuric acid). from what i hear, though i have not researched this myself, is that gypsum is a good source of sulfur because the Ca in the gypsum is not a carbonate form, so the sulfur will acidify and the Ca will remain inert.
I only add extra dolomite to the sip, and out of all plants, this is only one with issues,

I think I'm going to use the soil savey test, but in was hoping to find more info on it first, it seems no one has used it or at least they won't speak up about it
 

ShLUbY

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i haven't watched either of these, but maybe they will help clear some things up about the tests. they're on my "to watch" list haha
 

Thegermling

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I did my outdoor soil test here for about $50...https://www.loganlabs.com/
Thats not mg deficiency. Thats a perfect example of a zinc deficiency. Mg def starts on the bottom and moves up. A zinc deficiency looks like a mg def but starts at the top.
I dont know much about living soil man so I cant help there.
 

Greenthumbs256

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so there has to be something I can spray as a foliar to be able to get this girl to harvest! I'll worry about fixing my soil soon, right now, I just need to get this girl in semi good health!
 

Thegermling

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I seen you got some aurora/roots organic nutrients. Id feed their micro or the bottle that has zinc in it. Foliar feed it for instant feed to the plant. I know you hate using bottles but any grow indoors is never truly organic. Remember that youre using artificial light LOL.
 

Greenthumbs256

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I seen you got some aurora/roots organic nutrients. Id feed their micro or the bottle that has zinc in it. Foliar feed it for instant feed to the plant. I know you hate using bottles but any grow indoors is never truly organic. Remember that youre using artificial light LOL.
well sadly I just checked every bottle, didn't get any kinda of micro, and nothing that contains zinc, or at least the bottles and packages don't say it does!

dam bc that was a great solution and idea lol
 

Blitz35

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so there has to be something I can spray as a foliar to be able to get this girl to harvest! I'll worry about fixing my soil soon, right now, I just need to get this girl in semi good health!
You dont care about the soil, and would rather foliar feed at this stage to get it right? That will not work effectively. Spraying full flowering plants is never a good idea, and with a bad mixture at root level, it will not fix your issues anyway! Oh, btw, sulfur is not very effective to lower ph of your medium if that's what you're looking to do...and gypsum is simply calcium sulfate, which is ph neutral and has no effect on overall ph. Best of luck on your grow, hope it turns out well!
 

Blitz35

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yea, I'm to the point where I might just kill this girl, I've got other that can take her place!
If you brought her this long then why not try..she's not dead or close to it. If you run into this issue again, you'll be in the same boat..you only learn by going through the hard times:) Symptoms i see are magnesium and possibly potassium as well..i dont have experience with true organics, so unsure of how to help other than add some epsom salt (for the mg), and organic unsulphered molasses (for everything else plus high potassium)...raw coconut water is also good for potassium and natural plant hormones like cytokinins!
 

Greenthumbs256

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You dont care about the soil, and would rather foliar feed at this stage to get it right? That will not work effectively. Spraying full flowering plants is never a good idea, and with a bad mixture at root level, it will not fix your issues anyway! Oh, btw, sulfur is not very effective to lower ph of your medium if that's what you're looking to do...and gypsum is simply calcium sulfate, which is ph neutral and has no effect on overall ph. Best of luck on your grow, hope it turns out well!
it's not that I don't care about my soil, bc that's my main concern! feed the soil and your plants will be happy!

it's just until I have my soil sent off and tested there is nothing I can do about my soil, other than just adding random shit, and screwing it up Even worst! so yes I do care about my soil but as of this very moment nothing can be done about that!

I was just hoping to make this single girl make it until flower! I have many other cuts of it, all expressing the same problems, at all ages of growth! so my main concern right now, is figuring out what's going on, a foliar of the right stuff every few days. even tho I'm in flower, I'm in preflower, and I've got about a week maybe 2 at max that no foliar will hurt!
 

Greenthumbs256

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If you brought her this long then why not try..she's not dead or close to it. If you run into this issue again, you'll be in the same boat..you only learn by going through the hard times:) Symptoms i see are magnesium and possibly potassium as well..i dont have experience with true organics, so unsure of how to help other than add some epsom salt (for the mg), and organic unsulphered molasses (for everything else plus high potassium)...raw coconut water is also good for potassium and natural plant hormones like cytokinins!
see that's my main problem, I'm about 99% sure it's not a deficiency but a lock out, bc of soil mix and all the things I've added over the years, while learning I've made a lot of mistakes! that's why I'm taking all my soil that doesn't have a plant in it, cooked, old, new. literally everything mixing it together and getting it tested that will tell what's missing and what's in excess! bc I'm willing to bet there's a lot of excess! so if that's the case my next step will be adding fresh soil, compost, ewc, and pumis to my soil, cooking it a Lil longer and testing is one more time!

but that doesn't fix my immediate issue and problem of getting these girls to end of flower!
 

Dr. Who

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well sadly I just checked every bottle, didn't get any kinda of micro, and nothing that contains zinc, or at least the bottles and packages don't say it does!

dam bc that was a great solution and idea lol
Time to add hard rock duct to your soil mix as a mineral source!

Gypsum helps but you should still use a good mineral source... I don't care for soft rock phosphates. They contain too much P...
 

Kushash

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see that's my main problem, I'm about 99% sure it's not a deficiency but a lock out, bc of soil mix and all the things I've added over the years, while learning I've made a lot of mistakes! that's why I'm taking all my soil that doesn't have a plant in it, cooked, old, new. literally everything mixing it together and getting it tested that will tell what's missing and what's in excess! bc I'm willing to bet there's a lot of excess! so if that's the case my next step will be adding fresh soil, compost, ewc, and pumis to my soil, cooking it a Lil longer and testing is one more time!

but that doesn't fix my immediate issue and problem of getting these girls to end of flower!
If you didn't mix the soils together yet might be interesting to do a slurry test on all of them.
 

zzeroo

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I don't know what a slurry test is.
How do I perform a Slurry test?

This test will give you a general snapshot of the current conditions of your medium. Wait for your medium to dry out in the top 2”. If you just fed, it is not dry enough for this test. Wait for it to dry out. I can't stress that enough. Don't try this test with a wet/moist grow medium. Take the sample from the side of the pot, 2" down to keep from disturbing the roots too much. Obviously if you dig deeper than 2”, you will want to ensure your growing medium is dry at that depth as well.
It's a 1:1 ratio grow medium to water. 1 ounce to 1 ounce, 2 ounces to 2 ounces or 1/4th cup to 1/4th cup. Most Nectar growers are using one ounce of their medium to one ounce of pH neutral 7.0 water. If you don't use 0 ppm water, you need to subtract the ppm of the water you use to perform the test, with your final ppm. For example: If you use 25 ppm water, subtract 25 from your final slurry ppm. Once you have mixed your grow medium with pH neutral (7.0 pH) water, let it sit for 15-30 minutes to stabilize before inserting your meters.

Immediately prior to inserting your meter, give a good stir using a glass stirring rod or some other clean instrument. Using an EC/TDS/ppm Meter, ensuring that the meter is inserted into your slurry to a depth that will give you a correct measurement, measure the ppm of the slurry mix. The purpose of this slurry test is to check ppms to see if your plants are efficiently eating. With Nectar for the Gods, numbers above 500 means they are starting to not eat (salt buildup). Above 900 they are not eating, they are pissed (time to flush). Below 200 they are eating and are hungry (bump up the feedings a little). Below 100, your girls are starving (bump up the feedings even more). Between
March 17, 2017 Page | 69 300-500, they are really happy with the amount you're feeding. [don't change anything if your plants look happy] At this time, you should also do a pH test on the slurry (most people do both ppm and pH.) Stir the slurry mixture and insert the pH meter fully into the slurry mix. Write it down, post it on the Growers page for additional feedback. “Nectar for the Gods performs best when the medium is in the pH range of 6.3-6.7 and the ppms are between 300-500." If your soil sample comes out with a lower pH and/or a higher part per million, then a flush with Herculean Harvest will help correct these issues.


here you go this come from the NFTG bible i hope it helps
 
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