Help me with this guys!!!

[boysetsfire]

Hi guys!
About 15 days ago I got already big plant from a friend. At the moment I got it I noticed it has some problems.
I asked him did he maybe overfert them, he said I don't know anymore...he was quitting all that, not interested anymore to grow.
So I decided to water it with plain water for some time, and till this day situation didn't change.
Now Im thinking its some kind of deficency of nuts.I was looking on internet but I couldn't recognize what is it actually.
Now Im asking u guys, what do u think.
Pics below. On the first pic on the left is lower leaf and on the right leaf from the middle of the plant.
Thanks in advance! Cheers!

 

[boysetsfire]

Sorry for pics under hps, I forget to turn it off sry once again

 

[boysetsfire]

anyone?

 

[INF Flux]

I can't say for sure, but I think you should feed her. What grow media is it in? Was it being sprayed for pests?

 

[Blitz35]

It's nearly impossible to tell why or how with no info given..it's like posting a picture of a car that is smashed up and asking why and how did this happen. You need to provide alot more info...but again, with the little to no relevant info given..the plant is showing signs of a calcium and magnesium issue. whether it's actually deficient or locked out, can't tell without knowing all the variables!

 

[boysetsfire]

thanks for answering.
Medium is soil with perlite in growing bag. pH level 6.5, just checked. growing under hps 400w(just changed mh for hps and changed on 12/12). I was searching for any kind of bugs or similar, even with magnifier, nothing. I asked my friend again, what did he do with it, he answered as before, he doesn't know, he don't care....
So Now I'm on my own...I mean I'm on rollitup
I don't know do u need any other information?

 

[Chip Green]

What method was used to determine the soil PH?

 

[boysetsfire]

I have electronic pH meter for soil.

 

[charface]

If thats all the info I had
And you have been using straight water with no improvement

Start feeding it

 

[min0r]

maybe it's locked out?
you have ALOT of N, i can tell because your leaves are a dark green, not a lush green like they should be, which makes me want to say that you shouldn't feed it.
i wouldn't feed it.
you said you had a ph meter for soil, get the ph of the soil and come back.
in the case that it's above 6.8-7ph,
get something called gypsum, it will help nuetralize the ph in the soil immensely.

 

[Medicated Bonsai]

It's nearly impossible to tell why or how with no info given..it's like posting a picture of a car that is smashed up and asking why and how did this happen. You need to provide alot more info...but again, with the little to no relevant info given..the plant is showing signs of a calcium and magnesium issue. whether it's actually deficient or locked out, can't tell without knowing all the variables!

I agree with this.. It looks like a calcium and magnesium issue but it's hard to tell where this issue stems from. The type/brand of soil, the run off levels, nutrients given to this point, etc. would help a lot in the diagnosis.

 

[boysetsfire]

It's 6.6 pH, while my mother plant has pH 5.7 and it looks good....

 

[boysetsfire]

I really don't know what my friend did to them.. he had so many different types of fertilizers... It's really difficult for me and for u guys to determen what is the problem. I've never took the plant which was already ready to bloom. I used to start with seeds or clones. This is something else. Like adopting a child at the age of 18...
Anyway, what do u suggest me to do at the end? Feed it, not feed it?

 

[Medicated Bonsai]

What type of soil are you using? FFOF, FFHF, No-till, etc.

What's the PPM of run off?

Has it been fed any nutrients throughout it's life?

Has the medium been amended with anything for aeration?

 

[INF Flux]

I'd start it half strength with whatever nutrient system you use. I'm an organics guy so likely what I would do is not available. If you have access to worm castings an EWC tea would be what I'd do.

 

[Medicated Bonsai]

I really don't know what my friend did to them.. he had so many different types of fertilizers... It's really difficult for me and for u guys to determen what is the problem. I've never took the plant which was already ready to bloom. I used to start with seeds or clones. This is something else. Like adopting a child at the age of 18...
Anyway, what do u suggest me to do at the end? Feed it, not feed it?

It's hard to tell you whether you should feed them or not. Take a reading of the PPM at the next watering and let us know please.

Also, you stated the plant was "big" but how many days has it been since seed? Is it still in veg or flower?

Plant's can show signs of deficiency even if there's enough nutrients in the soil. Too much of one nutrient / things being unbalanced can cause the roots to lockout other nutrients. For example, I believe an excess of calcium or magnesium can lockout Iron. Finding out the plant's history of feedings and what its growing in would be of top priority for me in your situation.


EDIT :: I have no degree or scientific explanations for this. This is just what i've gathered from my experience and research via the web. Please don't take my advice for an instant solution. I'm only stating my opinion. Hopefully someone can correct my mistakes if i've made any in these previous comments. I hope you get this figured out tho. Good Luck to you!

 

[INF Flux]

It's hard to tell you whether you should feed them or not. Take a reading of the PPM at the next watering and let us know please.

Also, you stated the plant was "big" but how many days has it been since seed? Is it still in veg or flower?

Plant's can show signs of deficiency even if there's enough nutrients in the soil. Too much of one nutrient / things being unbalanced can cause the roots to lockout other nutrients. For example, I believe an excess of calcium or magnesium can lockout Iron. Finding out the plant's history of feedings and what its growing in would be of top priority for me in your situation.


EDIT :: I have no degree or scientific explanations for this. This is just what i've gathered from my experience and research via the web. Please don't take my advice for an instant solution. I'm only stating my opinion. Hopefully someone can correct my mistakes if i've made any in these previous comments. I hope you get this figured out tho. Good Luck to you!

It's tricky considering how little information his friend gave him.

 

[boysetsfire]

Take a reading of the PPM at the next watering and let us know please.

Sry, what is PPM?
It's not from seed it's clone. It's been two month or more since he took the clone. It's very bushy, because I pulled her down with wire, LST, cause I didn't want her to go up cause my space is 60x60 and 180cm in height. Since I took her like 15 days ago I decided to put her on 12/12 today.
He, my friend, isn't expert ether, he learned everything from internet too. So he was experimenting with every plant, and he was sooo confused after some time that he decided to quit. So even he can't tell me what he used on that one...
Anyway I'll try to add a solution of nuts which is already mixed, it's ...I forgot the name, but very popular something like Bud ...something, I'm lazy at the moment to go and se the name of the company..., it's NPK is 2-5-4, and well see what will happen'...
What do you think?

 

[Medicated Bonsai]

Sry, what is PPM?
It's not from seed it's clone. It's been two month or more since he took the clone. It's very bushy, because I pulled her down with wire, LST, cause I didn't want her to go up cause my space is 60x60 and 180cm in height. Since I took her like 15 days ago I decided to put her on 12/12 today.
He, my friend, isn't expert ether, he learned everything from internet too. So he was experimenting with every plant, and he was sooo confused after some time that he decided to quit. So even he can't tell me what he used on that one...
Anyway I'll try to add a solution of nuts which is already mixed, it's ...I forgot the name, but very popular something like Bud ...something, I'm lazy at the moment to go and se the name of the company..., it's NPK is 2-5-4, and well see what will happen'...
What do you think?

No worries, growing should a learning process. A lot of experienced growers are still learning and will continue to learn for years to come. And most of all, it should be fun so, don't let things stress you out too much.

PPM stands for "Particles Per Million". It will give you a rough estimate on how much nutrients you have in your soil. <---There's a lot of information on this via google. Knowing the PPM levels will give you an idea of how much nutrients your plant is taking in.

On the next grow, I recommend fixing any type of issues before flipping to 12/12. A minor problem could turn into a major one once the light cycles are switched as, the plant requires a different balance of nutrients once it starts producing flowers. Flipping to flower with current on-going problems could open a door to a variety of new problems. It can get mad confusing and it often leads to people making bad decisions/over feeding/underfeeding.

This is where it gets tricky for me and i'll tell you what I would do personally :

Hold off on the nutes.. she looks hungry but, it sounds like you're using synthetic bottled liquid nutes. A lot of people use these types of nutes but it's caused nothing but trouble for me. I started seeing some progress once I switched to an all purpose nutrient, "MegaCrop" to be specific. Order a TDS meter from amazon so you can take a reading of the PPM's. In the meantime, try giving her a shot of CalMag with the next watering. I, personally, wouldn't feed any nutes yet. The "i'll feed it this and see what happens" mentality seems to dig a bigger hole in most situations.

1) Tell us what type of soil your using lol. Is it FoxFarm, Roots Organic, Supersoil....what is it? We keep asking you this but, I don't see an answer to this question...maybe i missed it somewhere

2) Order a TDS meter

3) Give her some CalMag.

4) Have patience. This is the biggest advice I can give you but...I struggle with this as well.

@Singlemalt @curious2garden @hotrodharley @Lordhooha and a few other's have given me really good advice in the past. Maybe one of these guys can help you a bit more. They have a lot more experience than I do. They will want more details tho, so whatever information you can gather would be very helpful!

Figure out what you're growing in!

 

[boysetsfire]

Knowing the PPM levels will give you an idea of how much nutrients your plant is taking in

How do I measure it?

1) Tell us what type of soil your using lol. Is it FoxFarm, Roots Organic, Supersoil....what is it? We keep asking you this but, I don't see an answer to this question...maybe i missed it somewhere

I don't know, he didn't tell me. I'll ask him tomorrow if he remembers...that's the problem he was experimenting too much with everything which led him to quit.

He gave me all of this things(see photo)...I saw some before, but never used them. Before I was just using some regular solution for veg and flowering for orchids, and was adding bacteria once in 3 weeks and my plants were healthy and they had really nice buds. I had like 150 grams of dried buds from two plants. But these thing are unknown to me, when you have to mix couple of solutions....

I'll try to find out tomorrow more about everything he did.